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| | | | | A Fighter Returns from the Desert to Speak with You If You Would Speak with Him Dear Sikh Philosophy Net Members,
I am a Catholic Fremen, who visited your gracious forums four years ago to introduce myself. I have been busy in the interim, but, now return. I do not call myself a Christian, because Jesus Christ did not call himself a Christian. Instead, my religion is Fremenism, which is the religion of Freedom, and, which, in order to become more free, has led me to embrace Catholicism as the highest repository of Truth on your planet Terra (which we Fremen, because we are native to the desert, call sliwka, or "swamp").
I am controversy incarnate, I am the least politically correct person on the planet, and I serve the One whose only Son is Jesus Christ. I seek to love the One with all my mind, with all my heart, with all my strength, and with all my soul, and, I seek to love my neighbour as myself--and myself as I ought, being made in the image of the One.
I come here because I lack interaction with Fighters, and you Sikhs have a noble tradition of Fighting in the path of righteousness, to the best of my current knowlege. I would that I could learn from you, and you from me, for my part. Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/controversies/33523-fighter-returns-desert-speak-you-if.htmlReference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=33523
Thank you for the opportunity to intercourse with you on these important things. Time is short; may your hesitation to embrace Agape be shorter.
Yours,
"h"
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09-Dec-2010, 20:22 PM
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| | | | | re: A Fighter Returns from the Desert to Speak with You If You Would Speak with Him Welcome back helgasdogs ji Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=33523
I do remember when you joined the forum initially. Where are you returning from? (Correctly stated in English, Whence do you return? LOL
Tell us a little more about what a Catholic Fremen is. I have looked for a definition and cannot find one. Does it have anything to do with Dune Religions? That was the closest I could get to a reference quickly on the web, with most information related to specific individuals and not to the concept as a whole. Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=33523
I would say this is a fighting forum, so you should find many debates to engage you.
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10-Dec-2010, 01:10 AM
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| | | | | re: A Fighter Returns from the Desert to Speak with You If You Would Speak with Him Dear spnadmin,
I'm happy you remembered me. I didn't abandon what I said then, but, I have developed my metaphysique to the degree that I feel worthy to engage you.
I hail from the Dominion of Canada, part of the Commonwealth, under my sovereign the Queen of England. I live in the prairies of Canada, which is currently a wasteland of snow as the Season of Death is upon us. This makes me take comfort in my sietch ('secure home'). Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=33523Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=33523
Fremenism is to Catholicism similar to what Catholicism was to the Jewish Law. Jesus Christ transmuted the Law from one of fear, into one of love (Agape, or love of Reason, love of man for man's sake, not because he pleases you by his appearance, manner, or character). The Catholic Church wedded Agape to the Classical Greek ideal of Reason, thus creating the engine of Western Civilisation's progress toward a globally-extended scientifically managed economy based on the General Welfare principle which states that a Government exist to serve the People, not the People to serve the Government.
Fremenism does two things, which combine into a common principle:
(1) Recognises the common humanity of all, in no uncertain terms, according to a scientific definition of humanity, and,
(2) Economises Fear of the One (Whom many religions choose to call 'God'),using Reason, in terms of Psalm 111:10, 'The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: a good understanding have all they that do his commandments: his praise endureth for ever.'
Fremenism is, therefore, not a Religion in the sense that it can or seeks to replace any other religion. Rather, it is the perfect principle of perfecting religion, termed the F-principle. Thus, Fremenism is a fighting discipline, which is both an outgrowth of the fruit of the great thinkers of Catholicism and Classical Humanism, and, also, a Weltangschaaung (German, 'worldview'). Fremenism is what is needed to unify and gird the righteous, that mankind may escape our childhood on Terra (what you call Earth, what in Fremen is termed 'sliwka' or swamp), and conquer the stars.
Frank Herbert was the modern 'prophet' of Fremenism, if we wish to put it that way, but, whether he was witting or unwitting about it is neither here nor there. We do not worship Frank Herbert, who wrote his myths as self-entertainment and for the pleasure of his readers. The hypotheses contained within his works are what matters, and those hypotheses could as easily have come from the blue jays in the trees, or the outcropped water-smoothed rocks at the hopelessly sandy beaches of a cold English Autumn. Jesus Christ is my Lord and Saviour, and he was not a Christian--he was a Fremen, a free man in the Universe. It is towards that freedom, and in that freedom, I trudge and skip through the demesne of the Great Worm, Shaitan, the devourer of souls.
If any of this is unclear, I will endeavour to elucidate for you further. I am open to any question, though I retain my right to invoke the Fifth Amendment of the United States Bill of Rights, the right to remain silent, as I choose.
Yours,
'h'
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10-Dec-2010, 03:18 AM
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| | | | | re: A Fighter Returns from the Desert to Speak with You If You Would Speak with Him Quote: PS. What does 'ji' mean, pray tell? | Its like saying Dear helgasdogs, in a more respectful way usually used in Indian Sub-continent... | 
10-Dec-2010, 20:56 PM
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| | | | | re: A Fighter Returns from the Desert to Speak with You If You Would Speak with Him Quote:
Originally Posted by Aman Singh Its like saying Dear helgasdogs, in a more respectful way usually used in Indian Sub-continent...  | Dear Aman,
Thank you for clearing that us. As I no not know the nuances involved, I will continue to use the Western "Dear" for my respect for you.
Yours,
"h" | 
11-Dec-2010, 17:02 PM
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| | | | | re: A Fighter Returns from the Desert to Speak with You If You Would Speak with Him Dear helgasdogs, Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=33523Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=33523
There is Fremenism and Zensunni beliefs - they seem wildly differing - may be you can elaborate.
" I do not call myself a Christian, because Jesus Christ did not call himself a Christian" May be Christ did not call himself Christian but his experiences and teachings produced Christanity - have you also developed some new faith that you are spreading?
If you are seeking Truth - even found some - may be you can also share that with us. | | The following member appreciates davinderdhanjal Ji for the above message. | | 
11-Dec-2010, 21:02 PM
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| | | | | re: A Fighter Returns from the Desert to Speak with You If You Would Speak with Him Dear davinder, I have not developed a new faith, but, I have developed a new approach to faith, derived from my experiences and which I seek to teach to any who will suffer to listen to them. The essence of Zensunni - which, in Fremen, literally means 'flow submission' - is the combination of the essence of Islam ('submission') before the One ('God'), and the essence of Zen Buddhism, which is to 'flow' with one's experience. There is an ancient Oriental Terran teaching that one should cease trying to 'push the river,' the river of life will flow of its own accord, one must merely accommodate oneself to its power, adding one's own water to its magnitude. On Arrakis ('desert planet'), we have only rivers of sand and rivers of tears. One cannot easily push the river of sand! Thus, we see things more clearly there, than most Terrans do on their sliwka-world. The Truth of the matter is that we are in the midst of an onushing, accelerating physical-economic and financial collapse that has been triggered by decades of monetarist financial policies advocated by the oligarchial elite and foisted on the sovereign Governments of the Nation-States of the world, with the intention of destroying globally-extended European civilisation and bringing mankind back to a Dark Age, in which the neo-feudal Lords will have dominion over the planet forever. This cannot be allowed to happen! As a Fighter I appeal to your most noblest impulses to help me stop this from happening, and, how I help you help me is by helping you understand the truth of Zensunni sufferism.Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=33523Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=33523 It is called 'sufferism' because it makes a discipline of enjoying failure, pain, and psychic suffering. A Zensunni sufferist is like a Canadian salmon, swimming vigourously upstream toward its sacred spawning place, even swimming up waterfalls to reach its imperative destination. But, when by will of the One a mischance washes it out and it free-falls in the rainbow spray back to the bottom, it is not unhappy in that condition, but, rejoices that its labours are over for the moment, and, it splashes to the base of the waterfalls again, wherein it instantly begins its muscular attack on the waterfall's flow once more. Zensunni sufferism: 'flow submission' + 'joy of failure' Does that make sense to you, or, have I misstated my understanding? Yours, 'h' | | The following member appreciates helgasdogs Ji for the above message. | | 
12-Dec-2010, 02:00 AM
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| | | | | re: A Fighter Returns from the Desert to Speak with You If You Would Speak with Him helgasdogs ji
I am not able to understand this idea. Would you go into more detail? Thank you. Quote: |
Zensunni sufferism: 'flow submission' + 'joy of failure'
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| | | | | re: A Fighter Returns from the Desert to Speak with You If You Would Speak with Him Dear spnadmin, I would be glad to. What is the essence of being a Fighter, one who fights against injustices without himself becoming immoral and, therefore, unjust? Is the essence love of battle? Bravery? Cold-hearted willingness to kill? Discretion? A strategic mind? A well-developed body? A love of Country? Faithfulness to his Religion? Discipline? There is no need for this confusion, which warriors throughout history have dealt with in various ways. In World War Two, the Germans were the best killers, but the Russians were the craziest, and the Americans had the most heart. So, if we are to be Fighters, where should we focus our attentions on in terms of building our minds into what the One ('God') wishes us to be? The essence of being a Fighter is threefold: (1) A Fighter recognises the fundamental unity of the perceptual world, that in it there is no 'this' or 'that,' but, only one continuous 'thing' that we perceive as a whole, a one, a unity. The German psychologists call this a gestalt. The Fighter must recognise the gestalten flow of his environment, of which no two parts are the same, and which is never the same twice when he looks once, then looks again. There is no such thing as identity in the perceptual realm, identities are only categories that we place onto the screen of our awareness in order to make logic possible.Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=33523 (2) A Fighter recognises the Will of the One as that to which we submit wholeheartedly, unreservedly, with no apologies, and with gladness. This Blessed, Maximal One, is all-Rational, all-Agapic (Agape, 'love of Reason'), all-Knowing, all-Powerful, and Eternal. Thus, in keeping with #1, the Fighter submits to the flow of the world knowing that everything is for the best, that all blessings, whether bane or boon, are for his benefit, and that Goodness, Beauty, and Truth will triumph in the end; the only question is how much pain the world must go through as a result of his own personal failures to act in accordance with the One's wishes. (3) A Fighter perfectly convinced of the first two points, will lack fear of anything but the One, and, therefore, will not have the normal human inhibitions to enjoying suffering. Freed from fear, he will not necessarily seek suffering, but, when it comes, its deepest bite will be relaxed, and, he will know it is for the best, and even interesting and enjoyable in its manner. He would prefer pleasure, but, exists without like or dislike in terms of his dedication to the One, knowing that in some cases pain becomes pleasurable and pleasure becomes painful.Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=33523 Thus, Zensunni sufferism; which translates in emotional praxis into Fremen joy--the joy of being free, gloriously free, by virtue of the overmastering slavery of the One. Yours, 'h' | | The following member appreciates helgasdogs Ji for the above message. | | 
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