I agree with you when you say that "Within a gurmat understanding of Sikhi there can be neither sacred relics to venerate, nor is magic taken to be spiritually meaningful"
However, I also recognize that the "gurmat" understanding is lost on the average/majority of the sikh community
I feel there is no need to survey the sikh community at large when you live in the midst of a large sikh community that routinely makes claims of supernatural intervention when for example:
3) When due to a police "mistake" a known terrorist avoids a guilty plea for his involvement in the Air India Bombing, it's claimed that God "had his back" throughout the trial and facilitated the events that lead to his acquittal
4) When it appears that muslim men may be targeting sikh women for conversion. The sikh majority reacts by suggesting women shouldnt be allowed out with non-sikh men, and that muslims are using "black magic" to seduce their women, and that a daily dose of nitnam will help protect them against the evil powers of islam. (http://sikhsandislam.blogspot.com/)
"Muslims even use black magic to try and convert people. So don't take anything object, food, gift from a Muslim!" - Says Jaspreet Kaur Sandhu
5) I live amidst a community where the majority of the youth have no knowledge of sikhi. But love the food, dance and warrior culture and on those merits alone, they believe the sikh religion is the best religion. This warrior culture contributes significantly to the recruitment of young sikh men intro drug dealing. (http://thelangarhall.com/general/did...sikh-t-shirts/)
Lol, they look like a wannabe gang dont they?
My personal favourite t-shirt quote is "sikh and destroy"
6) The Ganga Sagar attracts a ridiculous amount of people who come to "worship" the jug. There have been reports of women giving their jewelry away, or the gurdwara selling the water they used to fill the Ganga Sagar as a kind of "amrit." I know on a personal level that one man who took a picture of the Ganga Sagar sells it for $20 a piece on vasakhi day, and people gladly buy it (hell I had to buy it the other day to get a proper scale representation of the jug for my model).
7) A bloody brawl breaks out in the middle of a Langar Hall over the inclusion of chairs and tables. Even if chairs and tables are against sikhi—somehow the bloody brawl isnt?
Albeit, this isnt a "proper" scientific survey of the sikh population to make truly generalized assumptions. But I think I'm allowed to make generalizations based on these series of events/anecdotes. The sikh people almost pride themselves on their ignorance. The more ignorant the better (its seen as having an almost complete faith in god when ur as ignorant as the above people can be). And furthermore, merely bringing up a diseenting viewpoints is so vehemently looked down upon, its almost as if they suspect the dissenter of practicing witchcraft.
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For now I am not going to take the time to edit and reply in line, even though you have topped yourself in terms of insults and gross generalizations.
Arguing from the particular to the general case without unbiased sampling methods leads to a lot of fallacious conclusions. What sampling method did you use?
And since average and majority are statistical terms, and based on sample size, what was the size of the sample that led you to your conclusions? Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=32469
Your commentary has turned out to be what I call "high maintenance" participation, because either I or some other member of the moderation team will need to edit your comments surgically to remove insults, and/or field angry private messages from other forum members. Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=32469
I am now giving you an official warning.
Please get on with your main ideas which had/have something to do with the experiment you are planing to conduct and to tell us about. If you are basically finished with that, let me know. Otherwise, what is the point of continuing with a diatribe against the Sikh community?
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and on those merits alone, they believe the sikh religion is the best religion. This warrior culture contributes significantly to the recruitment of young sikh men intro drug dealing. (
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