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Sikhs & Multiculturalism in Uk
From Veil to Kirpan…..
By Jagjit Singh

Pyare jio, a couple of days ago Tony Blair made a very dramatic statement with regard to issue of muslim women wearing veils, in his monthly news conference. Due to large number of news stories on that day, many people may have missed this statement. He said it is “a mark of separation”. This is quite a dramatic use of words by a Labour leader, and gives complete backing to the path which has been set by the former Foreign Minister, Jack Straw. Tony Blair is a trained lawyer and has clear intention behind his use of words.

Many Sikhs are disregarding what is happening in UK, as just a “muslim problem”. The daily onslaught on news stories against muslims, is seen by some as something they have instigated themselves, or part of a larger West vs Islam confrontation. Many Sikhs who have grown up in UK, have had bad experiences with muslims, and do lack sympathy for their current situation. We tend to disassociate ourselves from them and are uncomfortable with the word “asian”.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/controversies/14386-sikhs-and-multiculturalism-in-uk.html

The attacks of 9/11 changed the world. The attitudes in the West changed from being dominant with liberal attitudes, to one which dominated by conservative attitudes. Multiculturalism had flourished in UK, and many ethnic groups won rights which made them at ease with UK. In many areas, multi-culturalism has been celebrated to promote an area. The most prominent being the London bid for the Olympics, in which London was shown as the most diverse city, proud of its ethnic minorities.

However the subsequent attack of 7/7 and the general bad press of Islam have hardened attitudes against muslims. But its impact will be felt by other ethnic minorities, because UK has moved from a stance of “lets celebrate the distinctiveness of others” to one of “is their distinctiveness a threat to social integration?”

For either, Jack straw or Tony Blair to make such comments before would have been political suicide. But they are well aware that these comments are very populist. For example on Radio 5, a national radio station, Jack Straw received 95% support for his stance that muslim women should remove their veils in front of him.

Where does this leave Sikhs?

The day after Tony Blairs comment, the Independent newspaper had a special insert where it compared the muslim hijab or veil to that of the Christian cross, Jewish top cap and Sikh Turban. What we have to wake up to is that this debate is taking place in the arena of Islam vs West, but in fact it is eroding the core principles of multiculturalism. It is now common to hear political commentators stating the multiculturalism has failed in UK. Has it really? I sincerely hope not…

But it leaves the question…If a veil is a “mark of separation” and “makes people outside the community feel uncomfortable” as Tony Blair states, then does the Sikh Turban do the same?

This leads to more questions….Is religious expression a right? By wearing religious symbols are we less British? Do religious symbols pose a threat to social integration?

In the case of veils, Sikhism rejects the wearing of veils. Sahib Siri Guru Amar das ji specifically asked women from muslim backgrounds who attended his congregations to remove their veils, before entering the darbaar. Ideologically, I reject the veil as a means of suitable dress code for a male or female. However, I do feel sympathetic to any young woman who wishes to wear one, but is now seen as an instigator of social disharmony in UK by that choice. These young muslim women are not downtrodden as portrayed in the media. In fact, they are often highly intelligent and confident young women who just wish to physically display their pride in their faith. This is no different to young Sikh men who wear Dumallas (large turbans) and young sikh women who wears Keskis (turbans). My Dummalla (turban) and my beard are religious symbols that make me complete distinct within British society, and this something we are intentionally proud of wearing. I have never seen my dumalla as a threat to social integration, and in fact, I have never had any problems integrating into any part of society.

French Policy & UK Policy?

However what does ring alarm bells, is how easily people are taking the veils issue and comparing it with that of the Christian cross, Jewish cap and Sikh Turban. Many European countries are concerned with the population growth within Muslims, and see that as a threat to social harmony within their country. At times, they are targeting Islam directly, and others indirectly as a response. France has put in place policies which will make muslims a social under-class by denying them education if the refuse to remove the hijab. However they have clubbed Sikhs into this regardless of the contribution of Sikhs in WW1 & WW2. As a result Sikh children are not attending school if they refuse to remove turbans and patkas. This is purely a side effect of a policy against muslims.

In UK, Sikhs are far more secure. Although multiculturalism as a policy is under threat, its impact is probably irreversible. However we do need to look at where is Labour going with this issue of veils? Is there a distinct policy behind the comments of Jack Straw, or is this political pandering to populism rather than political ideals. If it is just populism, then that is far more dangerous than a clear government policy, because then path is out of control, with an un-known destination.

From Veil to Kirpan…

Many people in UK have become used to Sikh Turbans. We do not suffer from the same ignorance as those Sikhs who live in USA, where ever turban wearing person is seen as Bin laden.

However one does wonder if the Veil is so controversial, how long will it take for the media to pick up on the Kirpan? Now that it is open season on religious symbols, Sikhs in UK may well find themselves up against a populist stance by politicians against the Kirpan. Certainly we will find politicians and press far less sympathetic to the religious right to the Kirpan.

Maybe more Sikhs and sikh leaders need to be more vocal on this onslaught against multiculturalism, and see its impact as far bigger than mere Islamophobia.

Is there a Sikh Response?

I feel that Sikhs have always had a problem with coherent communication to the masses about Sikhism. When the “behzti affair” occurred, the Sikh voice was challenged and found lacking. Similar to muslims at the moment, where they have no coherent response to the daily onslaught. In fact, the militants within their ranks have more media coverage, which has just led to a siege mentality within their community.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=14386

Sikhs need to organise themselves, rather than wait for some incident to occur, and then wonder what shall we do? There are sections of the media, the usual suspects like the Daily Express and Daily Mail, who have made irresponsible coverage of Sikhs in the past. Even the Telegraph has attacked Sikhs directly.

Sikhs need to set up an organisation like SMART - Sikh Media Action Response Team. An organisation of educated and media savvy young Sikhs who can give a Gurmat Response to all issues facing Sikhs and non –sikh issues in a coherent manner.

We can no longer rely on silence, or a Gurdwara Pardan to speak for Sikhs. The world is a different place and Sikhs need to ensure they have a coherent voice. This voice needs to start by assessing the current onslaught on multiculturalism and its lasting impact on Sikhs in UK.




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Old 02-Nov-2006, 11:26 AM
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Re: Sikhs & Multiculturalism in Uk

I agree that the Sikhs do not have any voice whenever they are discriminated. The SGPC is just another body that does not seem to care for the affairs outside Punjab and I wonder why is it that they are considered as the highest body in the Sikh institution?
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=14386

The issue of Sikhs wearing turban was also raised in Singapore but we were fortunate as we were defended by the government on our right to wear the turban.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=14386

It is sad day when our brothers and sisters in Europe, especially France, cannot practise their faith without being marginalised. i was impressed by a video I watched on youtube about the two Sikhs posing questions to their non-Sikh friends about our faith and the video is a demonstaration about the reality about the ignorance of our faith.

Let's form an organisation that will give voice and credibility to our faith that Sikhs are different from the Muslims and we should be respected for our beliefs.

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Old 02-Nov-2006, 13:07 PM
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Re: Sikhs & Multiculturalism in Uk

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Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=14386

In so many ways your point is very tru, and as you said the world is a very different place now then it was years ago. Now giving up a cultural identy or religous is something no one wants to do.

But can we really expect to fight years and years? how would you like to have ten guest over your house for dinner and movie and threw out the whole night, you dont get to see there face ? All ten guest leave, and unless they come up to you in the future and tell you who they are, you have no other way of determining who those ten guest were.

now i know culturally they do not want to remove there viel but is there not some way to safely respect both worlds? I'm sure there is someway.

Respect culture is something we all want, When you think about it, a Sikh is almost wearing a veil also, long beard covers most of lower face, and turban covers head so soon after complaining about Women and Veils, there next target will surely be a Sikh.

But I still believe there is some way of making both worlds happy ..HOW? im not sure but theres has to be something because as much as i wanna respect women wearing veil it is a very uncomfortable feeling speaking to someone and not knowing if you'll ever be able to rememeber them, they may walk right passed you , and you would never know it.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=14386

And also its also a threat to the women wearing viel,

Exammple

What if women wearing veil on street, in public gets in a taxi near a cofee shop. now hours later her family figures out she is missing, how are they suppose to go around town asking people if they seen her when no one knows which Veil wearing women was her?

SO MUCH to think about in this situation for both side and all other angles.

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i agree and everything that i would say has been said so ill leave it at that
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Agree with you all on this. TO SikhMinded....irrespective of 10 people wearing veils at a dinner party, does it matter what the other person looks like? Does it really matter that you cannot see them? They are still an individual, and their words and thoughts are MORE important. I personally have no problem if the other person wears a veil, cross, or whatever. The main issue is that you (not you personally) have to see the other person for who they are, and not by physical appearance.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=14386
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One word, and it comes from the Ghetto "RESPECT"
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The veil is not mandated as the turban was.

The fallacy of the OP is that if the veil is attacked then so will Sikh articles of faith.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=14386
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=14386

This is a clear rubbish !!!

The veil was clearly rejected by Guru Gobind

“The veil of falsehood shall be torn down from within you, and Truth shall come to dwell in the mind.”

The veil is false and wrong.
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Guru Gobind Singh rejected the veil for Sikh women. Did he opine on the veil for Muslim women. Not..............
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=14386

The issue is not that there is a one on one connection between banning a veil and banning a dastar. The issue is that there is a slippery slope, once religious attire is banned for one group then in the interest of being consistent it is banned for all others. The implications affect members of all faiths.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=14386

Note: A child of amritdhari parents in Britain who wishes to take a school trip to France is forbidden to wear a patka in public places, such as art museums, as of the recent bans mandated on the heels of the ban on burqa.

So it has been a slippery slope. Lots of sliding down the hill. swordfight
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This is a false argument. There is NO demand in Islam to wear the viel. It is a cultural concept to enslave women. THE GURUS CONDEMN YOUR VIEW !!!!

As a Sikh if I neglect to wear the Turban, am I a lesser Sikh ? NO !!!! Is the turban a integral part of its faith or article that Sikhs wore that is sacred...Yes... Is the viel ??? NO NO NO NO NO NO NO

The only people to be allowed to wear the Turban were the RAJPUTS and MUNGHAL RULERS......It was a Princely symbol that Guru Gobind made the decree....
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From hence forth ALL people,all castes would wear the Turban as an article of faith....and ALL WERE KINGS !!!!

From the dictaks of the evil rulers...He changed all brave new Sikhs to believe they were equal. Each Sikh had the turban as did all nobles...They did not hide. We are just 25-30 million Sikhs in the world....

How dare you compare the veil to the turban. The turban has / had NO PROBLEMS until you try to associate the Islamic creed to subjegate women into sacks and then say you want equality.

FACT...... The turban and Sikhs are well respected throughout the world and the Turban is seen is a very positive light.

FACT...... The veil is a subjagation of women as to hide them.

FACT

“The veil of falsehood shall be torn down from within you, and Truth shall come to dwell in the mind.” Guru Gobind

The role of women in Sikhism is outlined in the Sikh scriptures, which state that the Sikh woman is to be regarded as equal to the Sikh man. In Sikhism, women are considered to have the same souls as men and an equal right to grow spiritually

Guru Angad Dev encouraged education for women. Guru Amar Das condemned sati, female infanticide and the wearing of veils

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