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| | | | | Why I Chose To Be A Sikh and Not a Christian! This post is meant to be a direct rebuttle to internet troll and Christian religious fanatic Rajs post.
My Reasons are as follows: 1. The Guru Granth Sahib ji was penned by the Guru's and not by disciples, many years later. 2. Sikhism is a non-missionary faith that does not believe in converting other and disrespecting other people beliefs.Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/christianity/8638-why-i-chose-sikh-not-christian.html 3. Sikhism concepts of Langaar (Communal Kitchen), Wandh Chakna, and the Chardi Kalan Spirit. 4. "Higher than Truth is Truthful Living". No point just talking about the truth unless one is prepared to live it. 5. Defending the poor and weak, no matter what their religion, colour, creed. 6. Standing up for Justice, Freedom, and Equality. 7. Sikh women can and have for last 300 to 400 years taken Sikh congregations wheras Christians still argue about female priests. 8. The concept of Gurmatta or mutual consent, which is a democratic principle. Christianity has no such principle. 9. God does not take human form, but rather God is in each and every one of us. It is up to each and every one of us to realise God.Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=8638 10. Sikhism respects, Jesus, Mohammed, Moses, Ram etc on an equal footing. 11. Believe in the life of a householder and not one of a recluse or a Nun or Priest.
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__________________ Randip Singh Those who renounce meat, and hold their noses when sitting near it, devour men at night. They practice hypocrisy, and make a show before other people, but they do not understand anything about meditation or spiritual wisdom. Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji Page 1289 Fools Who Wrangle Over Flesh | | The following member appreciates Randip Singh Ji for the above message. | | 
29-Apr-2006, 12:08 PM
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| | | | | Re: Why I Chose To Be A Sikh and Not a Christian! Sikhism, science and rationality fit together perfectly. The Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji talks of other planets and other worlds. There is no denial of scientific truths in Sikhism. Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=8638
God is within all of us. S/he is no distant master.
God is neither male nor female in Sikhism.
In the West, historically, the theological evolution of liberal, spirituality-centered Christians comes to the same conclusions as Guru Nanak (see, for example, Ralph Waldo Emerson, Henry Thoreau)
There is no such thing as "fundamentalist Sikhism." The
Five Thieves of Sikhism ask their followers to refrain from habits that apply to everyone. No one is condemned to be a sinner based on who they instrinsically are.
There is no doctrine of "original sin" in Sikhism. Infants are born innocent, not sinners. | 
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| | | | | Re: Why I Chose To Be A Sikh and Not a Christian! Gurfateh
Das finds Panth as form of Chrisitinaty and rather the best form.We get the status of Lord Jesus sahib himslef when we get in holy Ghost ie Brham Gyan. | 
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| | | | | Re: Why I Chose To Be A Sikh and Not a Christian! why do ppl believe in religon? religon to me i will put it in this way human created it.. pray n believe in god not religion n powers,greed etc everyone has thier own right aslong not hurting anyone ..all are the same all came from one place heaven yea god ?some ppl believe in god but dun believe in devil ? why have u seen god ? u believe in god remeber there is devil too  not saying that believe in evil but there is gd n bad  allah,jesus,budda,10 gurus etc... all are saints[ god ] they are also send by someone just like in a family eg: 1 person send his sons to different religion races stuff like that.... Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=8638Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=8638
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Originally Posted by randip singh 2. Sikhism is a non-missionary faith that does not believe in converting other and disrespecting other people beliefs. | i don't really agree with that randip ji... the only reason why you and everyone else, and sikhi are here today, is from the guru's spreadign the message of their guru! Other wise, you'd be a hindu, i would still be JW, and alot of others would be in other religions.
While guru nanak and others have spread our beautiful religion, it was not done by force or trickery like the muslims in their time and by other religions in the past.
Sikhi DOES need to spread, however, we do have to do it in a respectable way - like the guru's did. Its possible, we just need to see the will and realize the potential in the world!
As for missionary's - what is a "missionary"?? | 
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Originally Posted by randip singh 7. Sikh women can and have for last 300 to 400 years taken Sikh congregations wheras Christians still argue about female priests. | With due respect Randip Singh Ji, If I understand it correctly I think you are trying to say that men and women are treated equally in the Sikh culture. What are your suggestions on the issue of "Women are not allowed to do Kirtan at Darbaar Sahib, Amritsar". I have seen a lot of women being mistreated in Sikh(Gurdwara going and AmritDhari) Families. I personally helped quite a few of them, one recent case that I had was of a PHD girl from India, being treated like a slave by her husband and her in-laws for last fifteen years and she eventually had to end up in a shelter, even her parents and brothers did not bother(living in India). What are your thoughts about this. If we treat women equally, why this is happening? I know we have few families where women are respected equally, but it is very rare. It really feels awkward when I see a very well educated sikh girl, financially independent; scared to do anything on her own, scared to make a descision entirely involving her, scared to have a baby girl. | 
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| | | | | Re: Why I Chose To Be A Sikh and Not a Christian! Quote: |
Originally Posted by Surinder Kaur Cheema If I understand it correctly I think you are trying to say that men and women are treated equally in the Sikh culture.
What are your suggestions on the issue of "Women are not allowed to do Kirtan at Darbaar Sahib, Amritsar".If we treat women equally, why this is happening?
I know we have few families where women are respected equally, but it is very rare. | Well in the basic and core princaples we are supposed to everyone equal and not go back on it. But then again, are all politicians keep theire word? And do these ppl represent everyone... no. So while these things do happen, it doesn't represent everyon ein the sikh community. | 
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Originally Posted by Bindy_Bains i don't really agree with that randip ji... the only reason why you and everyone else, and sikhi are here today, is from the guru's spreadign the message of their guru! Other wise, you'd be a hindu, i would still be JW, and alot of others would be in other religions.
While guru nanak and others have spread our beautiful religion, it was not done by force or trickery like the muslims in their time and by other religions in the past.
Sikhi DOES need to spread, however, we do have to do it in a respectable way - like the guru's did. Its possible, we just need to see the will and realize the potential in the world!
As for missionary's - what is a "missionary"?? | We are not missionaries in the sense we do not actively seek converts or try to put down other religions spiritual paths. When do you see Sikhs going door to door like Jehovas witnesses or Born Again Christians, telling you that you are on the wrong path........never. | 
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Originally Posted by Surinder Kaur Cheema With due respect Randip Singh Ji,
If I understand it correctly I think you are trying to say that men and women are treated equally in the Sikh culture.
What are your suggestions on the issue of "Women are not allowed to do Kirtan at Darbaar Sahib, Amritsar".
I have seen a lot of women being mistreated in Sikh(Gurdwara going and AmritDhari) Families. I personally helped quite a few of them, one recent case that I had was of a PHD girl from India, being treated like a slave by her husband and her in-laws for last fifteen years and she eventually had to end up in a shelter, even her parents and brothers did not bother(living in India). What are your thoughts about this.
If we treat women equally, why this is happening?
I know we have few families where women are respected equally, but it is very rare.
It really feels awkward when I see a very well educated sikh girl, financially independent; scared to do anything on her own, scared to make a descision entirely involving her, scared to have a baby girl. | Sister, I think you are confusing the backward medieval Punjabi Culture, with that of the Universal Forward looking Sikh philosophy.
Although Sikhism speaks out vehemently against all the things you have stated....unfortunately, the backward Punjabi pendu mentality remains. In many respects I think Sikhs have taken a backward step in the last few years because of this "Punjabiat" creeping into Sikhism.
I think if the SGPC will hold onto Punjabi values rather than Sikh values, then us Sikhs in the west need to break from the SGPC and form our our own Gurudwara Prabhandhak Commitee. | 
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Originally Posted by randip singh Sister, I think you are confusing the backward medieval Punjabi Culture, with that of the Universal Forward looking Sikh philosophy.
Although Sikhism speaks out vehemently against all the things you have stated....unfortunately, the backward Punjabi pendu mentality remains. In many respects I think Sikhs have taken a backward step in the last few years because of this "Punjabiat" creeping into Sikhism.
I think if the SGPC will hold onto Punjabi values rather than Sikh values, then us Sikhs in the west need to break from the SGPC and form our our own Gurudwara Prabhandhak Commitee.  |
Respected Veer Randip Singh Ji,
I am not confused, I deal with people from all walks of life and culture. And I have found this sense of inequality everywhere.
My concern is, does not matter where you live, in which era, country, place; a Sikh must obey Guru's Word, which is not happening even in total of 5/10% of the SIKH communities (and I mean everywhere). And Guru's Word is same for every person, every place, and for all the times.
I would like to know if you are aware of a place where it is happening.
This is understandable that where ever you live, the effect of that culture does creep into your mentallity and bahaviour. Effect of media is also projecting a lot of stuff from all over. Unfortunately nothing good is adapted, it is mostly the worst.
There is nothing wrong in all pendu punjabies. You find good and bad both kind, in socalled backward and forward mentality. In my forty years of life, I been in touch with pendu, shehari and desi american, canadian, and europian Sikhs. I have not found much of a difference.
I was ten years old when I actually started thinking about this matter. We were living in Chandigarh, Sector 35. And a couple, who was very actively involved in Gurudwara affairs burnt their daughter-in-law alive in their house. And their maid servant found it out and told the neighbors. The woman was all burnt from feet to the waist. And this girl was a reputed Judge's daughter. And the father in law was a quite rich and forward thinking person, as community thought of him before all this. That instant and all the rest that I have seen in last thirty years just been adding to my list. I have not seen much of a change of attitude in respect of a city, village, country, kind of people. Inequality is there. And it is not been imposed by only men, elderly women are equally responsible for this. And when you talk to these women they say, the society did to them, now they want a revenge. Is not this totally opposite to GURMAT. And I am talking about women who does nitnem as well as who do not, those who are educated as well as uneducated, pendu as well as shehari, Amritdhari as well as non Amritdhari, no exceptions.
It does not help seeing and hearing everything and then keeping your eyes and ears closed. I try to help women, not just Sikhs, any body and everybody. Because this is not just in our culture, it is everywhere.
We say we treat women equally, but actually not. Even after 500 some years of Sikhmat, we are not better than any other faith or community or country or culture. If we are better than others anywhere in this world, I would like to visit that place.
Please forgive me if I hurt anybody's feelings. | 
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