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We should get involved more in visible professions. Maybe the Media etc.

We should be visible as ambassadors, as scientists, doctors, soldiers, surveyors, in government..............then you tell me why we should not be visible?
i dunno, ask the uestion to yourself...

Those are the proper ways of giving the message of sikhui - through media, arts, messages and websites.

Seva and basicly jsut reaching out to others is how sikhi is and was spread.

That's the proper way.



 
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Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/christianity/8638-why-i-chose-sikh-not-christian.html

Gurus did made some orders(Not sects) in Sikhs to preach faith.AKJ is another addition by Guru Panth(visit www.sarbloh.info).
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Gurfateh

Gurus did made some orders(Not sects) in Sikhs to preach faith.AKJ is another addition by Guru Panth(visit www.sarbloh.info).
akjs are brahmins of sikhism with the same ego as brahmins have in hinduism.they are just relegious fanatics.
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Das appriciate the views but all fingers are not the same.Das can say that in Kanjer Kavita title we have email adress of a bro who wants to ahve deabte with das on Dasham Granth.Try to contact him and you will find him cool.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=8638

He is know as the Khalsa Fauj.REst of the Sanatani Sikhs do not lie him but Das admires him.
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I think either way, if you analyse what you have stated, these things go on inspite of Sikhism and NOT because of Sikhism.

In the UK we had demonstartation over a play called Behzti, and many of my white English friends who went to see the play were disgusted by the implication of the play that rape, murder etc happened because of Sikhism.

People pay lip service to Sikhism. They think that by growing their beard long, praying day and night, wiping shoes at the entrance of the Gurudwara, attacking people who eat meat with venom etc etc etc they are Sikhs. This is however wrong.....Sikhism is about code of conduct.

This is what Guru Nanak says about woman:


Page 473


He goes on to say both are equal as they both have God in them:

Guru Ramdas

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Thank Waheguroo that there are people like yourself who actually try and understand and live gurbani.

Unfortunately there are many so called Sikhs in, for example UK,dress like amritdharis(women mostly) but treat women as second class citizen. (not as bad or the same degree as the muslims mind you).

And guess what, ITS THE WOMEN who treat their daughter in laws, daughters and other women like crap. This "older" women act all pious but have forgotten all about the teachings of Sri Guru Nanak ji. And these women incite their husband, sons etc to behave in this manner. Take for eg, burning of the young daughter-in-law recently in India. If the women in that family had any sense and practised gurbani/ Sikhi, that incident wont have happened!. Unfortunately their attachment to money was too great (ie "dowry" which should not be practised by a Sikh!).

Unfortunately there are many who need to be spoonfed to understand the principals of a Sikh way of life.

No effort in finding it out for themselves, lack of education ie reading and writing( which is a major problem in punjab), cant be bothered, have misconception of thinking that they are Sikh's just because they are born into a Sikh family, no guidance from Sikh parents, brainwashed by non-Sikhs due to their environment etc etc.

I think this generation of Sikhs will do much better as they have access to computers, forums, electronic forms of Gurbani with translations, forums to ask questions etc.

As for me, I am too independent and speak my mind to take any hindufied or islamified crap about women and their station in life from anyone.
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Thank Waheguroo that there are people like yourself who actually try and understand and live gurbani.

Unfortunately there are many so called Sikhs in, for example UK,dress like amritdharis(women mostly) but treat women as second class citizen. (not as bad or the same degree as the muslims mind you).

And guess what, ITS THE WOMEN who treat their daughter in laws, daughters and other women like crap. This "older" women act all pious but have forgotten all about the teachings of Sri Guru Nanak ji. And these women incite their husband, sons etc to behave in this manner. Take for eg, burning of the young daughter-in-law recently in India. If the women in that family had any sense and practised gurbani/ Sikhi, that incident wont have happened!. Unfortunately their attachment to money was too great (ie "dowry" which should not be practised by a Sikh!).

Unfortunately there are many who need to be spoonfed to understand the principals of a Sikh way of life.

No effort in finding it out for themselves, lack of education ie reading and writing( which is a major problem in punjab), cant be bothered, have misconception of thinking that they are Sikh's just because they are born into a Sikh family, no guidance from Sikh parents, brainwashed by non-Sikhs due to their environment etc etc.

I think this generation of Sikhs will do much better as they have access to computers, forums, electronic forms of Gurbani with translations, forums to ask questions etc.

As for me, I am too independent and speak my mind to take any hindufied or islamified crap about women and their station in life from anyone.

Hi Kaur-1,

Thanks for your kind words.

I am still learning and I have always seen studying sikh history from objective sources as the key to understanding the Sikh psychi.

You are correct, there are too many people who think that a Sikh dressing or eating in such and such a way is the key to Sikhism. Sikhism is about deeds and actions. No point talking about Truth, you have to actually walk that truth......"Higher that truth is truthful living".

To many of us "Sikhs" think by mimicing some Baba or Sant that, that is the Sikh way, when the reality is the our Guru (the Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji), is what we need to go for and understand......and coming full circle again......studying Sikh history helps me in understand ing the Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji..............not some big bearded Sant Jatha type.

Women and Men have always stood as equals in Sikhism, through their title's Singh and Kaur. Both titles are of equal and hight status. It is their own title (not someones surname).........and this also recognises our diversity......as men and women....hence why women are Kaur and men are Singh. So you could say the idea of equality and diversity too was thought up by our Guru's over 300 years ago.
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1. The Guru Granth Sahib ji was penned by the Guru's and not by disciples, many years later.
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2. Sikhism is a non-missionary faith that does not believe in converting other and disrespecting other people beliefs.

3. Sikhism concepts of Langaar (Communal Kitchen), Wandh Chakna, and the Chardi Kalan Spirit.

4. "Higher than Truth is Truthful Living". No point just talking about the truth unless one is prepared to live it.

5. Defending the poor and weak, no matter what their religion, colour, creed.

6. Standing up for Justice, Freedom, and Equality.

7. Sikh women can and have for last 300 to 400 years taken Sikh congregations wheras Christians still argue about female priests.

8. The concept of Gurmatta or mutual consent, which is a democratic principle. Christianity has no such principle.

9. God does not take human form, but rather God is in each and every one of us. It is up to each and every one of us to realise God.

10. Sikhism respects, Jesus, Mohammed, Moses, Ram etc on an equal footing.

11. Believe in the life of a householder and not one of a recluse or a Nun or Priest.

Can anyone else add more to this?
Not to get into a bashing mentality but other things big things could include;

No history of systematic slavery in Sikhism (Christians in Africa)

No unprovoked attacks on other races for the simple reason of being different (The inquisition)

Witch dunking and witch hunts

Colonialism with undertones of Christendom

Displacing communities all over the globe (Indentured trading)

Killing of homosexuals (condoned in bible, Leviticus I think)

Totally irrational creation stories (Adam and Eve, where were the dinosaurs?)


That is not to say that we haven't got any dark episodes in our history but the unprovoked mass murder and slavery under the banner of Christianity is on another level.
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This post is meant to be a direct rebuttle to internet troll and Christian religious fanatic Rajs post.

My Reasons are as follows:

1. The Guru Granth Sahib ji was penned by the Guru's and not by disciples, many years later.

2. Sikhism is a non-missionary faith that does not believe in converting other and disrespecting other people beliefs.

3. Sikhism concepts of Langaar (Communal Kitchen), Wandh Chakna, and the Chardi Kalan Spirit.

4. "Higher than Truth is Truthful Living". No point just talking about the truth unless one is prepared to live it.

5. Defending the poor and weak, no matter what their religion, colour, creed.

6. Standing up for Justice, Freedom, and Equality.

7. Sikh women can and have for last 300 to 400 years taken Sikh congregations wheras Christians still argue about female priests.

8. The concept of Gurmatta or mutual consent, which is a democratic principle. Christianity has no such principle.

9. God does not take human form, but rather God is in each and every one of us. It is up to each and every one of us to realise God.

10. Sikhism respects, Jesus, Mohammed, Moses, Ram etc on an equal footing.

11. Believe in the life of a householder and not one of a recluse or a Nun or Priest.
You say that sikh is non-missionary and all accepting, right? Tell me then what merit has this man?
He became famous for preaching that he is God. He died for it. Is He not a fool? He would have to believe that He was God inorder to go to His grave for it. His desiples claimed He rose from death. They died for that. They believed it as much a He believed Himself God.
Either these 13 soul have spread the mud of insanity over the revelation of God, or Jesus really is God and must be worshipped "forsaking all others" like in a monogamous marriage.
Why do you deny God or accept a madman?
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Not to get into a bashing mentality but other things big things could include;

[b]No history of systematic slavery in Sikhism (Christians in Africa)

No unprovoked attacks on other races for the simple reason of being different (The inquisition)

Witch dunking and witch hunts

Colonialism with undertones of Christendom

Displacing communities all over the globe (Indentured trading)

Killing of homosexuals (condoned in bible, Leviticus I think)

Totally irrational creation stories (Adam and Eve, where were the dinosaurs?)


That is not to say that we haven't got any dark episodes in our history but the unprovoked mass murder and slavery under the banner of Christianity is on another level.

The crusades, racism, warring between protestants and Catholics, many evils have been committed by Christians in the name of Christ.
These people are chief in Satan's ranks. They think they are of Christ, but they are bound for hell.
"You travel across land and sea to convert one soul, but once he is converted you make his twice the son of hell that you are!"
People are evil. The Roman Catholic church for thousands of years are nothing more than a secular kingdom with a lot of crossed lying about.
Many Christians are evil. These are not following Christ. Jeshuah never killed anyone, enslaved anyone, indentured anyone. God is Love. So many people will do whatever they want so long as they end it with the phase "God wills it!"

Have a world empire shatter, leaving Sikhs in places of power and see if the evil in all humans does bring them to do some atrocious evils.
Sikhism isn't even six hundred years old yet. Give it 2000 starting at the colapse of a world empire, and see how many evil so-called sikhs there have been.
All the thing you mentioned two mentioned above are actually proofs for Christianity. No matter how corrupt the powers that be are, there are always those willing to seek truth through the false doctrine.
seeking after God
H.t.
God did not commend us to kill homosexuals. The Yistaelites were commanded to put on trial anyone involved in the disease ridden "life style".
Homosexuality (the sexual longing for the same gender) is a natural degrading of DNA. It is a disease like asthma or arrhythmia.
The law was made to keep STD's at bay in the nation of Yisrael.
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