Contradictions in Bible ???

Hi

i will be occasionally posting some of the famous contradictions in Bible under this thread... although it would be cut and paste job on my part as i only know about bible through these forums...
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i would like the learned Christian members to explain the verses and how they are out of context and refute them rationally.
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PSA 145:9 The LORD is good to all: and his tender mercies are over all his works.


JER 13:14 And I will dash them one against another, even the fathers and the sons together, saith the LORD: I will not pity, nor spare, nor have mercy, but destroy them.

MAT 1:16 And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ.
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LUK 3:23 And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli.

Neutral Singh,
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I don't know to what extent you ignorance can be excused, but once again, I will at least try to point out your mistakes:

1. Jeremiah 13:14 is a part of scriptures that is expressing God's judgment on the Israelites, who were God's chosen people to be priests and a holy nation. (Exodus 19:5) NO IDOLATERY was the second command stated in the Ten Commandments. Therefore, after repeated warnings, God judges his "holy" nation, which you can read few verses earlier. Jeremiah 13:14 is an indictment on the Jews for their behaviour as stated in Jeremiah 13:10 "These wicked people, who refuse to listen to my words, who follow the stubbornness of their hearts and and go after other gods to serve and worship them."
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2. The genealogy of Jesus as mentioned in Matthew and Luke is traced from two different lineages. Matthew through Joseph's and Luke through Mary's. For further details and a clear explanation, visit http://www.acns.com/~mm9n/Genealogy/cha4.htm.

If you still have trouble understanding, please send Mr. Ninan an email and he will be more than happy to rectify your ignorance.

Regards
Rajs

MAT 28:1 In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.
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MAR 16:1 And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him.

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JOH 20:1 The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre.

Is Jesus equal to or lesser than?

JOH 10:30 I and my Father are one.

JOH 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.

Neutral Singh,



Mark (70 A.D.), Matthew (80 A.D.), Luke (90 A.D.), and John (90-105 A.D.) known as the “the Gospels” were written by four different people at four different time for different group of people. For e.g.
Gospel according to Mark was directed at Jewish people.

Gospel according to Matthew for Jewish Christian converts.

Gospel according to Luke was directed at Gentile believers.

Gospel according to John was an evangelical document directed at unbelievers.



Who or how many went to Jesus’ tomb is not the point of the scriptures but that, empty tomb was “witnessed”. The omission of names or mention of names is not contradictory but depends on the author’s purpose. For. e.g. Mark and John do not mention the birth of Jesus but Luke provides more detailed version of Jesus’ birth in comparison to Matthew.



The four gospels are not identical in details because the reason of their writing was different and they were directed at different audiences. Finally, Luke’s account that you seem to have missed (for whatever reason) clarifies what I am saying - “On the first day of the week, very early in the morning, the women took the spices they had prepared and went to the tomb.” (Luke 24:1) Who and how many went is not the purpose of writing the account but that there were witnesses.



In your case, perhaps, this can be further understood by account of Guru Nanak’s disappearance for three days. Follow along with me as I provide you with few of the various accounts of this incident as circulated among Sikhs:



Early one morning accompanied by Mardana, Guru Nanak went to the river Bain for his bath. After plunging into the river, Guru Nanak did not surface and it was reported that he must have drowned. (http://www.sikhs.org/guru1.htm)



The Janamsakhis narrate that one morning, Guru Nanak went to bathe in the neighboring river called Baeen. While bathing he disappeared in water and remained as such for three days - Some writers say that after taking the bath in the river, he went to the nearby forest. (http://www.searchsikhism.com/nanak1.html#_ftn6)



By all accounts, 1496 was the year of his enlightenment when he started on his mission. (http://www.sikh-history.com/sikhhist/gurus/nanak1.html)



It was in 1499 that the day of destiny of ecstatic communion with God came. While taking his daily bath in the rivulet Bain that flows near Sultanpur. (http://allaboutsikhs.com/history/his0915.htm)
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At the age of 38, in August 1507, Guru Nanak Sahib heard God 's call to dedicate himself to the service of humanity after bathing in "Vain Nadi" (a small river) Near Sultanpur Lodhi. (http://www.sgpc.net/gurus/gurunanak.asp)

One day after bathing Nanak disappeared in the forest. (http://www.sacred-texts.com/skh/tsr1/tsr106.htm)

Now, would you be kind enough to clarify above-mentioned discrepancies and perhaps set the record straight as per Guru Granth Sahib? Or would you like to take an issue with the authors regarding the lack of consistency? Awaiting your explanation with great anticipation.






Moving on, let’s look at John 10:30 and John 14:28.



Jesus’ statement “I and the Father are one.” (John 10:30) is directed at Jewish religious authorities, who questioned him; “How long will you keep us in suspense? If you are the Christ, tell us plainly.” (John 10:24) Jesus is telling them that He is the Christ, who they were expecting. Jesus, as Christ, is one with the Father – in Spirit, Character and Purpose. In other words, He is God because no human can be one in Spirit, Character and purpose with God. The Jews immediately understood this and “picked up stones to stone him.” (John 10:31)



Jesus’ statement “Father is greater than I” (John 14:28) is directed at the twelve disciples during one of his private discourse with them. The disciples, unlike Jewish authorities, had understood that Jesus was one with God in divine purpose but it was Jesus' human purpose they did not fully comprehend. Jesus is explaining that he is on earth in human body as God’s servant to carry out a mission – to die for the sins of the world and after that he has to return to God the Father and take up his divine nature once again which He relinquished as per God’s will. “After he had provided purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty in heaven.” (Hebrews 1:3) So, it is in his human nature, though sinless, Jesus is lesser than God, the Father.



Jesus, the Son, and God, the Father, are “one” (equal) in divine nature and purpose. However, they are separate (unequal) in the sense that Jesus became human and identified himself with sinful nature of mankind. Therefore, Jesus in divine nature is same as God, but God is greater then Jesus, in human nature, though without sin.



Regards

Rajs

dear Rajs

I have recently read your post they quite stimulating for my brain as it makes me think a lot thanks for your post.
but fortunately or unfortunately i was born in a time and place (1980 punjab) that i had little exposure to you rfaith (christianity) but i have actively tried learn about this and many other religions (bhuddism jainism islam) but my knowledge in not much as i think i wanted some things to be clearified

1 what do you think is should be aim of our life as i think it is to be one with god what do you think
2 As jesus has said I am the way does this mean he is the only way
3 if yes then i means that any other religious leader or preacher like muhammed, nanak , buddha were a) just nonsense personality disorders
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or b) god was some how happy with them due to thier efforts or what ever so made them one with himself but they were not the way for others
or c) they may some how have been in contact with jesus through bible or some other means
I have many more quetions that i would like to ask but it is good to start with few


Also i want to share my views regarding the your above post about enlightment of guru nanak i think you made a mistake in doing so as you have referred various sources these are the various sites and sources of general information for public and not the religious text like gospels .What i mean is inconsistence in gospels is totally different thing and of these sources totally different , but you are most welcome to point out same type of inconsistences in our religious text (GURU GRANTH SAHIB)
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I again want to remind you that my enquiry is not critical one but that of a learner as want to look at everything objectively just not to stand on one side defending it and critisizing the other side

Dear Drkhalsa,

All these so called contradictions have been concocted without proper study and understanding. Furthermore, quoting words out of context can turn any statement contradictory. Here are few examples from Guru Granth Sahib for you to contemplate, which can easily be turned into “inconsistencies” if one was to follow the logic or criterion used by Mr. Neutral Singh in his postings in this thread:


Guru Arjan says, ”Aapeh paap punn bisthaaraa.”
Does Sikhism teach that God distribute both sins and good deeds?



Kabir says, ”Paap punn du-ay ayk samaan.”
Does it mean that in Sikhism to sin is same as doing good?

Guru Nanak says, “Karnee baajhahu bhisat na paa-ay”
Kabir says, “Kavan narak ki-aa surag bichaaraa santan do-oo raaday”
Kabir says that Saints reject heaven but Nanak says one cannot attain heaven without good works?

Guru Nanak says, “suni-ai dookh paap kaa naas.”
He also says, “ko-ay na kaatai avgun mayray.”
Does listening to God’s name remove sins or does it not?

Guru Nanak says, “laykhaa iko aavhu jaahu.”
Guru Arjan says, “aap bhulaa-ay naankaa pach pach jonee paahi.”
Is reincarnation due to man’s own actions or does God mislead man?


I hope you are getting the drift of my argument here. Now, moving on to your questions:

1 what do you think is should be aim of our life as i think it is to be one with god what do you think

I think our aim is to do God’s will and we can know God’s will for us only through the Bible. When we read the Bible we learn that we are separated from God because of our sins. We are unable to become sin-free therefore we receive God’s forgiveness for our sins in Jesus Christ, who paid the price for our sins. Once the sin question is settled, separation from God is only physical not spiritual.
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2 As jesus has said I am the way does this mean he is the only way

Jesus is the “only” Way. He is the only sinless person to have ever lived, and died for sins of the mankind, to redeem them from the wrath of God. "Salvation is found in no-one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved." (Acts 4:12)

3 if yes then i means that any other religious leader or preacher like muhammed, nanak , buddha were
a) just nonsense personality disorders
or b) god was some how happy with them due to thier efforts or what ever so made them one with himself but they were not the way for others
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or c) they may some how have been in contact with jesus through bible or some other means

Please see the thread – "An ex-Sikh's journey in faith"

Regards

Rajs

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if one was to follow the logic or criterion used by Mr. Neutral Singh in his postings in this thread: Guru Arjan says, ”Aapeh paap punn bisthaaraa.” Does Sikhism teach that God distribute both sins and good deeds? Kabir says, ”Paap punn du-ay ayk samaan.” Does it mean that in Sikhism to sin is same as doing good? Guru Nanak says, “Karnee baajhahu bhisat na paa-ay” Kabir says, “Kavan narak ki-aa surag bichaaraa santan do-oo raaday” Kabir says that Saints reject heaven but Nanak says one cannot attain heaven without good works? Guru Nanak says, “suni-ai dookh paap kaa naas.” He also says, “ko-ay na kaatai avgun mayray.” Does listening to God’s name remove sins or does it not? Guru Nanak says, “laykhaa iko aavhu jaahu.” Guru Arjan says, “aap bhulaa-ay naankaa pach pach jonee paahi.” Is reincarnation due to man’s own actions or does God mislead man?

Dear Rajs

You are not following my logics at all. I am quoting each and every contradiction with each version and line number where they appear and these translations are compelete in itself. You are advised to produce these verses from Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji where they apear.

Now, take the following verses... Each version is talking about the same instance but the outcome is looking at opposite direction.

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MAT 28:1 In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre. MAR 16:1 And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him. JOH 20:1 The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre.

Gurbani should be read in full verses and not one line take out of context. But even if we take the above quoted verses in correlation with other verses as you attempted some posts above. Why do they differ in meangin and what should considered as a true version... anyways the above contradictions have nothing to do with spirituality and these are mere historical facts.

You are advised to produce these verses from Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, where they appear along with Page No and Line No.

Over to You, Sir.

Best Regards