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Old 27-May-2007, 20:30 PM
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27 05 2007.
The family values of jesus, it has to be admitted short to the point of brusqueness,with his own mother, and he encouraged his disciples to abandon their families to follow him.` if any man come to me and hate not his father,and mother, and wife,and children,and brethren,and sisters,and his own life also,he cannot be my disciple.'
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=470
Work it out for yourself Mr Rajs, what kind of son of a god jesus was.




 
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Dear Tirlochan singh ji.

All your answers to your questions are available in Guru Granth Sahib Ji.


So what a wonderful solution is just praise the God's name and Jap Nam with each of your breath. Leave every thing in God's hand ." No one can talk about God because the God Can not be written or spoken for or created by human being. It is just like a river talking about the ocean"

It is a big STOP for all other seekings God out in the forest and churches,temples or when the God is in you . Just you need to open the inside eyes. That can happent by repaeting the NAM.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=470
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All other are stories if it expalin to you their are other Gods .NO the reality is their is one God.

Sins committed by a person in previous birth are all eliminated when child is born.Simply please read this from Guru Granth Sahib Ji "MANAS JANAM DURLUB HAI,MILIO NA BARM BAR" So That is why our Holy book preaches us to keep up on doing good deeds as you did in previous birth which resulted into today you being in this world.You are loaded with wisdom but need the key to open up with the halp of Shri Gruth Sahib Ji teaching and showing the path to true happines.

Please forgive me if I dare to speak about Gurus 'Bani which is beyond my understanding. Like doctor give pills to remove your pain and you do not ask him the compositions of the drug. Just trust does the magic only from quallified doctor.

Good luck and I hope I have tried to answers a simple questions but for higher understanding come from the GUru.

jaspi
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Does Jesus belive in Insest? The origin of mankind is from Adam and Ave acording to the teaching of Christianaty.When they ate the forbidden apple
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=470
How did mankind grow after that? Lay man like me would think that their children married among themself....pls enlighten me
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Re: Why do I believe in Jesus? An ex-sikhs journey in faith

Gurfateh!!

Go and ask a priest how the earth can be flat. He will say just get lost.

Ask them how Jesus was born to a virgin; they will again ask youi to go away.

You wil have to believe these illogical anti-science things to be a Christian.

Inspite of numerous ways and spending huge amounts on preaching, people in West are going away from Christianity. After all, we have to be true to ourselves. When we sleep and sit with ourselves, ourown mind and soul ask us what we are doing and where we are going. And then there is no answer to these questions. This leads to unrest and a false hope that Jesus is the only saviour. Guru Sahib tells us that one can only be saved by Lord with His Mehar.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=470
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Is this hilarious or what?
Nobody kows what jesus did or stood for.
[1] He never left anything behind. Ummm Like Gurus did.

It is all heresy

[2] That is the reason Bible gets changed every 50 years or so.
So it becomes religon of convenience.
We can be gay, pedophiles [priests,] smokers, drinkers and manipulatorers and still be good christians.


[3] About him going to death willingly like Ninth Guru Ji--nope!
He was tied to his cross with romans carrying whips behind him.
Hey! You can call it willingly!

Bibe is the ONLY book that gets changed unashamedly.
ONLY!
Ramayan-NO
Bhgawat Gita --No
Sri Guru Granth Sahib JiJ--no
Torah--No
Quaran-No
Bible-YES everyone can change it to fit them.

AND it appeals to dimwits. Eastern religons are for higher thinkers.

FLAT EARTH!!!!!!!!
AHHAAAA

NO EVOLUTION
AHAHHAHAA

EARTH IS CENTER
AHAHAHAHAH

A VIRGIN BIRTH
AHAHHAAHAHAHAAAHAHAHHAAH

Earth is on 6000 years old?
AHAHAHAHAHHAHHAAAAAAAAA
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=470
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=470

Oh and all the herbalists are witches
AHHAAAAAAAAAA

PLEASE stop it-you are killing me!

It has been proven that BIble brought on DARK AGES.
I hope you read history.
The priests had to unlearn greek, roman, persian Indian knowledge
and make people dumb-

Thank god to people like galileo who went to prison and brough some of it back

Ummm Thats christianity in a nutshell for ya.
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Dear Sikhway,

I could not have put it any better myself! Christianity is laughable sometimes (if not most of the time).

HS
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Sikh Gurus are the only true secularists.
They preached equality of women with men far before it became a fad in the west.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=470
Sikh religion is the only religion that banned smoking. At that time we were made fun off. Now anti smoking laws are being enacted the world over.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=470
Guru Gobind strongly disapproved sex with more than one person. This has also now been vindicated with the spread of AIDS.
Guru Gobind Singh also strongly prohibited consumption of Alcohol which regretfully Sikhs are not obeying.
The list is endless!
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Christianity is not a scientific religion. Here are a couple examples of why:

1) Jesus was portrayed to have long hair. Yet in Paul's letter to the Corinthians, Paul states that men should not have long hair:

Does not the very nature of things teach you that if a man has long hair, it is a disgrace to him, but that if a woman has long hair, it is her glory? (1 Corinthians 11: 14-15, NIV)

The only explanation that Christians have for this is that Jesus was from Nazareth so he had to have long hair (one Christian even told me that Jesus could do anything he wanted so it was ok for him). In Sikhism, the Gurus followed their own rules.

2) God commanded Samuel to commit genocide against the Amalekites:

"Now go and attack Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have; do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey." (Samuel 15:3).

Yet, the Bible commands us to not kill (originally it was not to murder, but then it was changed to kill, which is not a subtle point because kill and murder are different). The only explanation Christians have for this is that the Amalekites were particularly evil. But the Nazis said that the Jews were particularly evil, does that mean they were justified in attempting genocide? Of course not. It is another contradiction in the bible - There is a rule that we should not kill, yet God commands it. Again, in Sikhism, the Gurus followed their own rules.

3) Paul's letter to the Corinthians tell us that men should not cover their heads, yet the Pope himself covers his head often times in public:

Every man who has something on his head while praying or prophesying disgraces his head. But every woman who has her head uncovered while praying or prophesying disgraces her head, for she is one and the same as the woman whose head is shaved. For if a woman does not cover her head, let her also have her hair cut off; but if it is disgraceful for a woman to have her hair cut off or her head shaved, let her cover her head. For a man ought not to have his head covered, since he is the image and glory of God; but the woman is the glory of man. For man does not originate from woman, but woman from man; for indeed man was not created for the woman's sake, but woman for the man's sake. Therefore the woman ought to have a symbol of authority on her head, because of the angels...(Corinthians 11:4 to 11:10)
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=470

The only explanation Christians have for this is that that particular passage does not apply to us today. Why not? If it is the word of God, why doesn't it apply anymore? Once again the Sikh Gurus followed their own rules, and everything written in the Guru Granth Sahib is applicable today just as much as it was when it was written.

Any scientific piece of work, regardless of its conclusion, cannot possibly contradict itself. Christianity and the bible contradict themselves in several places...these are just 3 examples.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=470



4) Jesus did not write the bible. The bible was written around 70 years AFTER Jesus died. The Sikh Gurus wrote the Guru Granth Sahib with their own hands, increasing its credibility. If someone wrote a book about me 70 years after I died, isn't there a chance that it lacks the accuracy it could have if I had written it myself? Think about it...



Christianity "changes" itself when it finds it convenient (early Catholics thought the Earth was the center of the universe, that the Earth is 6000 years old, that evolution does not take place)...now many Christians believe that the Earth is not the center of the universe (hopefully all of them do), that the Earth is more than 6000 years old (sadly, some still believe that), and yes some Christians are now admitting that evolution could be possible since the evidence is virtually irrefutable. Realize it: Christianity and the bible have changed...if God is perfect, how can his word change? How can his word contradict itself??

Make your own logical conclusions about all these things...
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