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| | | | | Re: Do Christians and Muslims Worship the Same God? Quote:
Originally Posted by Searching Do Jews and Christians worship the same God? Maybe according to the Christians they do but they do not if you go by the Jews.
Do Jews Christians and Muslims worship the same God?
Yes according to the Muslims.
There is a pattern there you see. Whichever religion came later puts the other ones under it's ambit. | BUT this theory fails in Sikhism....here the Earlier oens claim sikhims in their mabit..ha hano where do Sikhs claim Hinduism is SIKHI..But Hindus claim Sikhi si part of Hinduism..and Muslims claim Sikhism borrowed parts form islam......while Sikhism/Gurmatt says its 100% NEW......Way of Life. | | The following member appreciates Gyani Jarnail Singh Ji for the above message. | | 
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| | | | | Re: Do Christians and Muslims Worship the Same God? Quote:
Originally Posted by Searching Do Jews and Christians worship the same God? Maybe according to the Christians they do but they do not if you go by the Jews.
Do Jews Christians and Muslims worship the same God?
Yes according to the Muslims.
There is a pattern there you see. Whichever religion came later puts the other ones under it's ambit. | @Searching - I see the logic in your argument, however Jesus is a historical figure and I doubt that any Jew (or Muslim) would argue against the fact that Jesus is a Jew.
There are also many Jews I know who recognise Jesus as Messiah - they are Messianic Jews eg. the group called Jews For Jesus.
Muslims believe because of Sura 29:46 that Jews, Christians and Muslims all worship the same God, and of course, muslims also claim that Islam is an Abrahamic faith like Judaism and Christianity.
However the commands that Mohummad gave are often diametrically opposed to the commands of Jesus.
This You Tube video clearly lays their opposing commands side by side...
MUHAMMAD VERSES JESUS CHRIST - http://youtu.be/Z-MnOpKEnIA HTML Code: <iframe width="420" height="345" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/Z-MnOpKEnIA" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe> | | The following members appreciate P0TTER Ji for the above message. | | 
23-Feb-2012, 21:56 PM
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| | | | | Re: Do Christians and Muslims Worship the Same God? My dear brothers and sisters
Yes Christians and Muslims certainly do worship the same God! We simply have a different understanding of his nature, in some respects: "...He who enlightens all men coming into this world (John 1.9) has enlightened your mind for this purpose. Almighty God, who wishes that all should be saved and none lost, approves nothing in so much as that after loving Him one should love his fellow man, and that one should not do to others, what one does not want done to oneself. This affection we and you owe to each other in a more peculiar way than to people of other races because we worship and confess the same God though in diverse forms and daily praise and adore Him as the creator and ruler of this world. For, in the words of the Apostle, 'He is our peace who hath made both one.' This good action was inspired in your heart by God....This grace granted to you by God is admired and praised by many of the Roman nobility who have learned from us of your benevolence and high qualities [. . .] For God knows that we love you purely for His honour and that we desire your salvation and glory, both in this life and in the life to come. And we pray in our hearts and with our lips that God may lead you to the abode of happiness, to the bosom of the holy patriarch Abraham, after long years of life here on earth..." Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=34723Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=34723 - Pope St. Gregory VII, Letter XXI to Al-Nasir the Muslim Ruler of Bijaya (Algeria), 1076 "...Christians and Muslims, we have many things in common, as believers and as human beings. We live in the same world, marked by many signs of hope, but also by multiple signs of anguish. For us, Abraham is a very model of faith in God, of submission to his will and of confidence in his goodness. We believe in the same God, the one God, the living God, the God who created the world and brings his creatures to their perfection...The Catholic Church regards with respect and recognizes the equality of your religious progress, the richness of your spiritual tradition...On this path, you are assured, of the esteem and the collaboration of your Catholic brothers and sisters whom I represent among you this evening..." - Blessed Pope John Paul II: Address to young Muslims in Casablanca, 1985 Of the above Pope John Paul II said in 1990: "...I close my greeting to you with the words of one of my predecessors, Pope Gregory VII who in 1076 wrote to Al-Nasir, the Muslim Ruler of Bijaya, present day Algeria...These words, written almost a thousand years ago, express my feelings to you today as you celebrate ‘Id al-Fitr, the Feast of the Breaking of the Fast. May the Most High God fill us with all His merciful love and peace..." - Blessed Pope John Paul II, Message to the faithful of Islam at the end of the month of Ramadan, April 3, 1991 | | The following members appreciate Vouthon Ji for the above message. | | 
23-Feb-2012, 22:39 PM
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| | | | | Re: Do Christians and Muslims Worship the Same God? I would like to make a point related to Sikh philosophy.There is no concept of GOD in Sikhphilosophy as we think.The whole Sikh philosophy is based on the WORD GuRoo. Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=34723Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=34723
The Word GuRoo is the Epicetre of the whole of Gurbanee of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji
So this is the most fundamental difference in Sikh philosophy and Others.
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23-Feb-2012, 23:32 PM
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| | | | | Re: Do Christians and Muslims Worship the Same God? Quote:
Originally Posted by Searching Do Jews and Christians worship the same God? Maybe according to the Christians they do but they do not if you go by the Jews.
Do Jews Christians and Muslims worship the same God?
Yes according to the Muslims. There is a pattern there you see. Whichever religion came later puts the other ones under it's ambit. | Not so in the case of Sikhism..it came LATER..BUT the earlier arrival Hinduism continues to claim it as its limb....which its NOT. | | The following member appreciates Gyani Jarnail Singh Ji for the above message. | | 
24-Feb-2012, 00:43 AM
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| | | | | Re: Do Christians and Muslims Worship the Same God? There ia always a difference in being considered as Limb of previously existing philosophies or being considered as follower of previous philosophy.
For any new philosophy to get established as new entity has never been an easy task.This we can learn from previous Histories of Cultures and Religions.
With passage of tine and increase in the number of followers in favour of New Philosophy there comes Politics.When politics start playing a dominant role there is a clear cut uncomromising division of the philosophy being considered as Limb of previous Existing philosophies. Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=34723Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=34723
So this a common phenomenon with any philosophy and nothing wrong and this has to accepted as such.
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24-Feb-2012, 00:52 AM
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| | | | | Re: Do Christians and Muslims Worship the Same God? Quote:
Originally Posted by Vouthon My dear brothers and sisters
Yes Christians and Muslims certainly do worship the same God! We simply have a different understanding of his nature, in some respects: ..... | Vouthon ji remarkable excerpts from real and very divine qualities and rich in thought people. If you don't mind I post an annotated version to embed or illustrate Sikhism thoughts in your referenced material. I am enjoying the thought as it contrasts but at the same time interestingly close beyond semantics in many ways. Quote:
"...He (One)who enlightens all men (all) coming into this world (John 1.9) has enlightened your mind for this purpose. Almighty God (Creator), who wishes that all should be saved and none lost, approves nothing in so much as that after loving Him (All) one should love his fellow man (all) , and that one should not do to others, what one does not want done to oneself. This affection we and you owe to each other in a more peculiar way than to people of other races (all) because we worship and confess the same God (one creator) though in diverse forms and daily praise and adore Him (cherish one) as the creator and ruler of this world. For, in the words of the Apostle, 'He (Creator) is our peace who hath made both one.' This good action was inspired in your heart by God (creator) ....This grace granted to you by God (creator) is admired and praised by many of the Roman nobility who have learned from us of your benevolence and high qualities [. . .] For God (creator) knows that we love you purely for His honour (consonance of creation) and that we desire your salvation and glory, both in this life and in the life to come (.). And we pray in our hearts and with our lips that God (creator) may lead you to the abode of happiness, to the bosom of the holy patriarch Abraham, after long years of life here on earth (.) ..." - Pope St. Gregory VII, Letter XXI to Al-Nasir the Muslim Ruler of Bijaya (Algeria), 1076
"...Christians and Muslims (and Sikhs), we have many things in common, as believers and as human beings. We live in the same world, marked by many signs of hope, but also by multiple signs of anguish. For us, Abraham (creator) is a very model of faith in God (one creation), of submission to his (creator) will and of confidence in his (creator’s) goodness. We believe in the same God(creator), the one God (creator), the living God (in all living creation), the God (creator) who created the world and brings his (all) creatures to their perfection...The Catholic Church (Sikhs) regards with respect and recognizes the equality of your religious progress, the richness of your spiritual tradition...On this path, you are assured, of the esteem and the collaboration of your Catholic (Sikh) brothers and sisters whom I represent among you this evening (.)..." - Blessed Pope John Paul II: Address to young Muslims in Casablanca, 1985
Of the above Pope John Paul II said in 1990:
"...I close my greeting to you with the words of one of my predecessors, Pope Gregory VII who in 1076 wrote to Al-Nasir, the Muslim Ruler of Bijaya, present day Algeria...These words, written almost a thousand years ago, express my feelings to you today as you celebrate ‘Id al-Fitr, the Feast of the Breaking of the Fast. May the Most High God fill us with all His merciful love and peace..." - Blessed Pope John Paul II, Message to the faithful of Islam at the end of the month of Ramadan, April 3, 1991 | Thanks again for your post. I would really love to see more posts from you with such material. Very brilliant and thought provoking words indeed. 
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24-Feb-2012, 01:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Ambarsaria Vouthon ji remarkable excerpts from real and very divine qualities and rich in thought people. If you don't mind I will post an annotated version to embed or illustrate Sikhism thoughts in your referenced material. I am enjoying the thought as it will be contrasting but at the same time interestingly close beyond semantics in many ways.
Thanks again for your post. I would really love to see more posts from you with such material. Very brilliant and thought provoking words indeed. 
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My dear brother Ambarsaria  (yes I can't quite get enough these female smilies! I have never seen a forum with such emotive emoticons!)
I am very pleased that you appreciated my material! I am "well-versed" so to speak in the history of my religion and its relation to other faiths, so I can certainly - and will most likely - provide you with many more references from ancient and more modern mystics and thinkers.
And please feel more than welcome to post an annotated version! I love interfaith dialogue. When done properly, without desire to convert or change the beliefs of the other, it really does result in an exchange between minds, between cultures, between civilisations that can deepen practioneers of both of the faiths involved and reach not only the surface but something much more deep - it goes to the level of the spirit.
I look forward to reading your annotations! And I agree with you, there are many sentiments in the passages above from those two holy Catholic leaders shared with and indeed inspired by the very same worldview underlying that of the most Holy Gurus of the Sikh Faith.
I look forward to growing in love and unity with you my dear Sikh brother, to quote Blessed Pope John Paul II (who had great respect for Sikhism btw): "...It is the Spirit who is the source of the drive to press on, not only geographically but also beyond the frontiers of race and religion, for a truly universal mission...The Spirit's presence and activity affect not only the individuals but also society and history, peoples, cultures and religions. Indeed, the Spirit is at the origin of the noble ideals and undertakings which benefit humanity on its journey through history: "The Spirit of God with marvelous foresight directs the course of the ages and renews the face of the earth...I have repeatedly called this fact to mind, and it has guided me in my meetings with a wide variety of peoples. The Church's relationship with other religions is dictated by a twofold respect: "Respect for man in his quest for answers to the deepest questions of his life, and respect for the action of the Spirit in man." The interreligious meeting held in Assisi was meant to confirm my conviction that 'every authentic prayer is prompted by the Holy Spirit, who is mysteriously present in every human heart.'...Every form of the Spirit's presence is to be welcomed with respect and gratitude, but the discernment of this presence is the responsibility of the Church, to which Christ gave his Spirit in order to guide her into all the truth..." - Blessed Pope John Paul II, Redemptoris Missio, 1990 Let us move beyond the frontiers dividing religions! Catholic-Sikh love and Unity! Much love to you | | The following members appreciate Vouthon Ji for the above message. | | 
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