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Is Sikhism a Pantheistic religion? Personally I do not think so. But here is the definition from the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy. Have a good discussion.

Pantheism

First published Tue Jun 4, 1996; substantive revision Thu May 17, 2007
Pantheism is a metaphysical and religious position. Broadly defined it is the view that (1) "God is everything and everything is God … the world is either identical with God or in some way a self-expression of his nature" (Owen 1971: 74). Similarly, it is the view that (2) everything that exists constitutes a "unity" and this all-inclusive unity is in some sense divine (MacIntyre 1967: 34). A slightly more specific definition is given by Owen (1971: 65) who says (3) "‘Pantheism’ … signifies the belief that every existing entity is, only one Being; and that all other forms of reality are either modes (or appearances) of it or identical with it." Even with these definitions there is dispute as to just how pantheism is to be understood and who is and is not a pantheist. Aside from Spinoza, other possible pantheists include some of the Presocratics; Plato; Lao Tzu; Plotinus; Schelling; Hegel; Bruno, Eriugena and Tillich. Possible pantheists among literary figures include Emerson, Walt Whitman, D.H. Lawrence, and Robinson Jeffers. Beethoven (Crabbe 1982) and Martha Graham (Kisselgoff 1987) have also been thought to be pantheistic in some of their work — if not pantheists.
The book recognized as containing the most complete attempt at explaining and defending pantheism from a philosophical perspective is Spinoza's Ethics, finished in 1675 two years before his death. In 1720 John Toland wrote the Pantheisticon: or The Form of Celebrating the Socratic-Society in Latin. He (possibly) coined the term "pantheist" and used it as a synonym for "Spinozist." However, aside from some interesting pantheistic sounding slogans (like "Every Thing is to All, as All is to Every Thing"), and despite promising "A short Dissertation upon a Two-fold philosophy of the Pantheists" Toland's work has little to do with pantheism.




 
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I think Sihism is moer pantheism than monotheism. Monotheism implies the abrahamic religions.
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I think Sihism is moer pantheism than monotheism. Monotheism implies the abrahamic religions.


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re: Is Sikhism A Pantheistic/Panentheistic Religion?

That's not disconfirming evidence towards Sihism being pantheism.

That deos however show how Sikhism is NOT like the world's largest monothesitic faiths Christianity and Islam.
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re: Is Sikhism A Pantheistic/Panentheistic Religion?

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Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/christianity/25020-is-sikhism-a-pantheistic-panentheistic-religion.html
Allow me to say that you are very much right in context of pantheism , some part of it is found in Sikhism otherwise its literally “cosmotheism.”, so far we have been opposing cosmotheism shown as Sikhism in some posts where God is expressed as “principle”, it can be confusing many but Gurbani proves otherwise. Guru stresses again and again His being above cosmos. Thanks for pointing it out.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=25020
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Allow me to say that you are very much right in context of pantheism , some part of it is found in Sikhism otherwise its literally “cosmotheism.”, so far we have been opposing cosmotheism shown as Sikhism in some posts where God is expressed as “principle”, it can be confusing many but Gurbani proves otherwise. Guru stresses again and again His being above cosmos. Thanks for pointing it out.

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This is a brand new discovery. I never heard of cosmotheism. Thanks for introducing me to this concept. I don't know if I will get any sleep tonight just thinking about it! What a great way to begin a discussion!
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That's not disconfirming evidence towards Sihism being pantheism.

That deos however show how Sikhism is NOT like the world's largest monothesitic faiths Christianity and Islam.
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I think you mean - That is not disconfirming evidence against Sikhism being pantheistic. Just want to be sure I understand you. Anyway -- No the mool mantar is not "evidence" in the scientific sense of anything. The mool mantar is the foundation of all of the Shabad of the Guru that follows and that Sikhs adhere to. It is the fundamental belief of Sikhism. Or am I in the wrong forum?
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Allow me to say that you are very much right in context of pantheism , some part of it is found in Sikhism otherwise its literally “cosmotheism.”, so far we have been opposing cosmotheism shown as Sikhism in some posts where God is expressed as “principle”, it can be confusing many but Gurbani proves otherwise. Guru stresses again and again His being above cosmos. Thanks for pointing it out.
Please elaborate pk 70 ji.
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It is a simple statement, doesn't need any elaboration
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