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Local MPs take stab at Bloc's proposal to ban Sikh kirpans

Read more: http://www.thenownewspaper.com/life/...#ixzz1C5accDOk

SURREY - Local Members of Parliament think the Bloc Quebecois' call to ban Sikh religious knives from Canada's House of Commons is a pretty dull idea.

The separatist party suggested last week that Kirpans should not be allowed in the Parliament buildings in Ottawa after security guards denied a representative of the World Sikh Organization and three other Sikhs entry into Quebec's national assembly because they were wearing Kirpans.

The small ceremonial daggers are religious symbols all baptized Sikhs are required to wear. They represent the power truth has to cut through falsehood.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/canada/34216-bloc-quebecois-says-time-has-come.html

"Wearing the Kirpan represents one of the fundamental commandments of baptized Sikhs, who must wear one at all times," said Sukh Dhaliwal, Liberal MP for Newton-North Delta.

"The ironic part of this whole debate is the fact that the Kirpan is considered an instrument of 'ahimsa' or non-violence. The principle of ahimsa is to actively prevent conflict.

"The Parti Quebecois and Bloc Quebecois have little respect for the religious freedoms guaranteed to all Canadians by the Charter, and what is worse is the manner in which they have politicized such an intrinsic right.

"I am also very disappointed," Dhaliwal said, "by the lack of a response that has been offered on the issue by the Conservative government. For a party that has supposedly tried to reach out to minority communities across the country, their silence has demonstrated the calculated politics behind such engagement."

The Now sought comment from Russ Hiebert, Conservative MP for South Surrey-White Rock-Cloverdale, on the issue but he did not return our phone calls.

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Dona Cadman, Conservative MP for Surrey North, had this to say: "If a man was dressed in a kilt and had his knife in his sock, we would not think anything of it. Why is a Kirpan different?"

Her Conservative colleague Nina Grewal, MP for Fleetwood-Port Kells, said the Bloc is being hypocritical because its members joined MPs of other stripes in passing a resolution the New Democrats presented in April 2006 to officially recognize the five articles of Sikh faith, with the Kirpan being one of them.
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"They're making a lot of huff-and-puff about this thing," Grewal said of the Bloc. "I have always supported religious freedom."

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Some background for non-Canadians and others if it helps
Issues: Main
· It is nearly election time in Canada in early 2011
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=34216
· Parti Quebecois: http://pq.org/
o French Language and French Culture Centric Party in Quebec, Canada’s 2nd largest Province
o Montreal in Province of Quebec
§ Largest French Speaking City in the world after Paris, France
§ Held the 1976 Olympics
§ Was the largest city in Canada but now Toronto is
oHighly intolerant of English
oWants the Province of Quebec to separate from Canada into an own entity, the country of Quebec
§ No different than Punjabi Subah and other Sikh attempts at Nationhood
o Most Importantly, Like all Political Parties it is Opportunistic
§ It likes to associate itself with common popular issues in France
· Current wave of say Head (niqab, Turban, etc.) gear in France
o Invisibly it might resonate very well the French speaking voters in Quebec

Issues: Other

·Liberal Party of Canada has taken Sikhs for granted
o Has suffered from infighting and poor leadership and arrogance
·Conservative Party of Canada has more recently started to attract greater Sikh population participation
o Our current Prime Minister, Stephen Harper visited the Golden Temple in Amritsar
· Hindu, Hindi, Hindustan is alive and well in Canada through many organizations
o Hard core
o Soft Sell
o Hindus in Canada are always trying to do one up-manship in Canada, which is their right and Sikhs need to do the same


Solution: Participation
· Sikhs in Quebec need to develop liaison with Parti Quebecois
o Dialog
oPolitics is a dirty game, don’t get all riled up by the Liberals and Conservative MPs who are trying to save their hide (including the Sikh MPs)
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· French and Germans supplied Maharaja Ranjit Singh with armaments
· Sikhs fought in Europe to save France as much as to defeat Germany in Second World War

Just some thought if it helps the dialog.

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Where have my brains been hiding? Why didn't I see this immediately? This whole thing was a set-up by Bloc Quebecois.

I was reading this editorial (I'll copy/paste it below) when I realised what a dolt I've been. Quebec has been fuming ever since the Montreal public schools were ordered to let that kid keep his kirpan in school. This accommodation (or not) for the niqab was the perfect opportunity to get even with us and take it even a bit farther.

The Quebec government is well aware of the importance of the kirpan to Sikhs because of the above case. When they invited the Sikhs to testify, they knew very well they would be carrying kirpans. They purposely made no arrangements with security to permit the Sikhs in, knowing that they Sikhs would refuse to surrender their kirpans. They knew the Sikhs would rightfully raise a huge stink at being treated so unfairly.

This publicity give the Bloc the chance to up the ante and get kirpans banned not only from the Quebec Legislature but to also try to get them banned from the Canadian Parliament where Navdeep Singh has been attending with his kirpan for more than six years and, I might add, has made no attempt to stab any opposition MP.

So we've been seriously punked! What are we going to do about it?

I realise that probably everybody else saw this from the beginning, it's so obvious. Thanks for letting me blow off steam! (And use a couple of the new smileys)


The article that brought about this much belated epiphany (italics mine):

Only in Quebec you say?

Other provinces have long tolerated minority rights. Not us



By DON MACPHERSON,
The Gazette
January 27, 2011




What is it about Quebec that makes it more dangerous for orthodox Sikhs to wear the kirpan here than elsewhere in Canada?
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=34216


After Sikh boys in other provinces had been allowed to wear the dagger-like religious symbol to school for a hundred years, why was it still considered unsafe in 2002 for a Sikh boy to do the same here, even under severe restrictions?


And in the latest incident involving the kirpan, why was a Sikh delegation barred from the National Assembly last week after refusing to surrender their kirpans, when a Sikh member of Parliament is allowed to wear his in the House of Commons?


(And why, after Liberal Navdeep Singh had been doing so for more than six years, did the Bloc Quebecois only get around to objecting after the incident at the Assembly?)


Safety was the official reason given by the Assembly's security service for forbidding the Sikhs to wear their kirpans. But, as ruefrontenac.comblogger Marco Fortier pointed out, the kirpan is no more dangerous a weapon than the table knives in the Assembly's restaurants.


And it's not as if the Sikhs just showed up unannounced on a bus tour, catching everybody at the Assembly by surprise. They had been invited to appear before an Assembly committee examining a bill on, ironically, religious accommodations.


But since the committee had neglected to make prior arrangements for them to be admitted while wearing their kirpans, the Sikh delegation wasn't heard.


More than one made-in-Quebec compromise between the Sikhs' religious beliefs and the need for security at the Assembly was available.


The delegation could have been escorted by Assembly constables, as was a Sikh leader invited to a ceremony at the legislature last year.
Or they could have been allowed to wear their kirpans sealed inside their clothing. That was the solution suggested by the Supreme Court of Canada in its 2006 "reasonable accommodation" decision in the case of the Sikh boy forbidden from wearing his kirpan to school.


In applauding the exclusion of the Sikh delegation, Louise Beaudoin of the Parti Quebecois expressed disagreement with the Supreme Court's decision. "Multiculturalism might be a Canadian value," she said. "But it is not a Quebec one."
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=34216


The conditions under which the boy could wear his kirpan to school originated not with the Supreme Court, however, but with the boy's French-language school board. They were expanded in a decision by a Frenchspeaking judge of Quebec Superior Court.


And contrary to what Beaudoin implied, the Supreme Court's decision was not based on multiculturalism.


Rather, the court ruled that forbidding the boy to wear his kirpan to school violated his freedom of religion under the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms.


And that freedom is protected not only by the Canadian Charter but also by Quebec's own Charter of Human Rights and Freedoms -adopted seven years before the Canadian Charter.


(Beaudoin's position is wrong, but at least she took one. Liberal Immigration Minister Kathleen Weil, the sponsor of the accommodation bill, refused to say whether the Sikh delegation should have been admitted.)


So "reasonable accommodation" reflects Quebec values as well as so-called Canadian ones.


Or at least it reflects what used to be Quebec values, before the backlash against the Supreme Court's decision on the kirpan.


Since then, the parties have been competing over the identity question for the votes of the majority, at the expense of the Quebec Charter and the rights of minorities, and not only religious ones.


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