Sardar Gurcharan Singh Jeonwala Canada Discusses Dsm Granth
Posted 20-May-2008 at 14:41 PM by Gyani Jarnail Singh
jfbF df ByV.
isafxy afKdy hn ik jfbF dy ByV ivcoN kuJ nhI inkldf. hux jLmfnf bdl igaf hY. swc jfixE jfbF dy ByV ivcoN bhuq kuJ inkldf hY. sfnUM pqf sI ik ijhVy jQydfr afpxIaF styjF qy KVH ky dsm gRMQ nUM nf mMnx vfilaF df kIrqn soihlf (bfxI df nfm isrP ‘soihlf’ hY) pVHn dy llkfry mfrdy hn Auh afhmxy sfhmxy hox qy iBjI iblI vFgr TrU TrU krdy svflF dy jvfb dyx qoN munkr ho jFdy hn. iehI kuwJ sfzy nfl 24 mfrc 2008 nUM rficstr inAUXfrk styt ( Rochester, NY,USA) ivc sR primMdr isMG soc dy Gr hoieaf. jQydfr iekbfl isMG ptny vfilaF nUM imlx leI asIN rficstr gey hI ikAuN? asIN iksy dusLmxI jF vYr ivroD dI Bfvnf krky jQydfr jI nUM imlx nhIN sI gey. asIN qF ies krky gey sI ik pqf lgfieaf jfvy ik ikhVy ikhVy kfrn ho skdy hn ijs krky jQydfr jI ny sLRo[ gu[ pR[ kmytI dy skwqr sR[ bydI dI bysLrmI dIaF hwdF bMny twpx vflI nMgI mUvI dyK ky vI bydI jI nUM sfP brI kr idwqf. kdy ividaf sfgr qy kdy bicqR nfitk, kdy koeI nfm qy kdy koeI nfm bdldf irhf ieh dsm gRMQ. hux smJ pYNdI hY ik “dsm sRI gurU gRMQ sfihb jI” ijs ivc jnfnI dIaF JFtF Auqfrn dI gwl ( afpnI JFtY sBY muMzfAuN, dsm gRMQ pMnf 1081 qy icRqr 190), jnfnIaF nUM akfl purK bxf ky pCqf irhf hY (dsm gRMQ pMnf 1267 icRqr 312), sLrfb ivcoN swq vfr sLrfb kwZ ky afpxI jF iksy vI aOrq nfl Bog krn dI gwl (dsm gRMQ pMnf 1286 qy icRqr 330, pMnf 1337 qy icRqr 381, pMnf 1245 qy icRqr 296), gFz ivc BwKVy df kMzf dy ky cyly nUM qMg krn dI qjLvIj ilKI hovy (iss kI gudf goKrU dIXf.rovq Dfm mfq ko gXo], dsm gRMQ pMnf 1334 icRqr 378), 1600 juqIaF Kf kyy jnfnI dI qswlLI krfAxI pvy (dsm gRMQ pMnf 1357 qy icRqr 402), kys nfsk dvfeIaF dI gwl (dsm gRMQ pMnf 1017 qy icRqr 138), jhFgIr nUM inaFkfr bfdsLfh iliKaf hovy (dsm gRMQ pMnf 916 qy icRqr 82, cOpeI) jhFgIr afidl mir gXo], gurUu goibMd isMG jI nUM pwg-cor iliKaf hovy ( dsm gRMQ 902 icRqr 71) aqy vYd nUM GoVI dI Bwg ivc 100 vfr jIB dy ky ielfj dI qjvIjL idwqI hovy (dsm gRMQ pMnf 899 qy icRqr 68) nUM pVHn vfilaF df cfl clx vI aYsf hI hovygf. iesy krky aKOqI jwQydfr igafnI iekbfl isMG jI ny sR[ bydI nUM ieh kih ky muafP kr idwqf ik bydI jI df koeI ksUr nhI. dujy pfsy dyKo ik ptny vfilaF afp vI iqMn ivafh krvfey hoey hn jdoN ik iswK Drm df asUl hY “eykf nfrI jqI khfvY pr nfrI DI BYx sdfvY”. iek nUM gMgf ngr Cwizaf hoieaf hY ikAuNik Auh afpxy iksy dosq nfl Bwj geI sI qy iPr Ausny kys kql krvf idwqy sn. ies krky pihlI jnfnI hux jUTI ho geI hY qy jwQydfr iekbfl isMG jI dy vrqx Xog nhI rhI ies krky ienHF ny hor ivafh krvf ilaf.jd ieh AusnUM imlx jfdy hn qF tI[ey[, zI[ey qKq ptnf sfihb qoN hI ilaf jFdf hY. dUsrI nUM vI qlfk dyx qoN bgYr hI ienHF ny qIjf ivafh vI krvf ilaf. jwQydfr jI iqMnF iqMnF jnfnIaF kol jf ky vI jUTy nhI hoey. jdoN vydFqI jI ny ienHF nUM akfl qKq qy qlb kIqf qF ienHF iehI Auqr idwqf sI ik vydFqI jI ijs ikqfb df qusIN punr sMpfdn kIqf hY Aus muqfbk qF gurUu sfihbfn ( CyvyN aqy dsvyN) dy vI qF iqMn iqMn ivafh krvfey hoey hn qy jy mYN iqMn ivafh krvf ley hn qF kI lohVf af igaf. ieh sux ky vydFqI jI Jwg vFgr bih gey.
sR[ dljIq isMG, ijhVy rficstr ivc pihlvfn krky jfxy jFdy hn, nUM nfl lY ky asIN sR[ primMdr isMG soc dy Gr qkrIbn do ku vjy phuMc gey. AunHF df sLurU qoN hI sfrf jLor ies gwl qy lwg igaf ik jfbF df ByV nhIN krIdf, kntrovrsI ivc nhIN peIdf, dUjy dI lkIr nUM kwt ky Cotf nhIN krIdf qy afpxI lkIr lMbI iKcIdI hY afid. AunHF Eh sfrIaF gwlF sfnUM smJfeIaF ijhVIaF awj kwlH dy ivdvfn qy isafxy lok krdy hn pr afpxy gurU dI gwl qoN munkr hn.gurU df isDFq jfey ZwTy KUh `c sfzI rihMdI KUMhdI ijLdgI cMgI bqIq hoxI cfhIdI hY bfkI sB kfsy nfl sfzf koeI vfsqf nhI. jQydfr jI dy pDfrx qoN 10-15 imMtF bfad asIN ieh soc rhy sI ik Gr vfly kihxgy beI bfhroN afey swjxoN hux qusIN jQydfr iekbfl isMG ptnf nuUM svfl kr skdy ho. pr ieMÖ nhI hoieaf. jdoN asIN ieh mihsUs kIqf ik Gr vfly vI koeI gwl bfq nhI krdy qF mYN afp hI gwl sLurU krn dI koisLsL kIqI. jQydfr jI asIN quhfzy nfl quhfzy hI mkbUl ivsLy qy gwl krnI cfhuMdy hF. jvfb sI ik mYN quhfzI iksy gwl df jvfb nhI dyxf. mYN dyK ilaf hY ik quhfzy `c sLrDf ikqnI ku hY. ikAuNik jQydfr jI jdoN pDfry sn qF asIN iksy ny vI pYrIN hwQ nhI sI lfieaf qy gurU dI bKsLI hoeI Pqih hI bulfeI sI. sfD, sMq, bfby qy sfry jQydfr qy hor inkV-sukV ijhVy pYrIN hwQ lvfAux dy cfhvfn hn jy kr AunHF nUM Pqih bulf idwqI jfvy qF Auh smJ jFdy hn ik ieh lok koeI ibpqf KVI krngy. iesy gwl df AunHF nUM 104 buKfr cVH jFdf hY qy GUkI nfl brV brV krn lwg jFdy hn. 99% iswKF nUM sLrDf dy mqlb df pqf nhIN qy ies ptny vfly kihMdy khfAuNdy jQydfr ny vI Eho cMd cfiVHaf jo afm lok cfVHdy hn. iPr mYN puwC hI ilaf ik jQydfr jI sLrDf qoN qusIN kI mqlb kwZdy ho qF Eh spwsLt lPjLF ivc afKx lwgy ‘ivsLvfsL’. mYN ikhf jI ies qrHF krky qusIN lokF ny gurU nfnk sfihb dy iswKI dy mihl dI iek iek iewt kwZ ky PYNk idwqI hY qy iswKI df mihl Zih ZyrI kr idwqf hY. mYnUM ivsLvfsL hY ik qusIN soihlf bfxI df pfT vI jrUr krdy hovogy qy ieh pMgqIaF vI pVHdy hovogy, “ aMqrjfmI purK ibDfqy srDf mn kI pUry ] nfnk dfsu iehY suKu mfgY mo kAu kir sMqn kI DUry ]4]5] {pMnf 13}. guru gRMQ sfihb ivc 39 vfrI “srDf” df lPjL afAuNdf hY qy iesdf mqlb hY iewCf jF mn ivc pRmfqmf pRqI cytk lfAuxI.‘srDf’ nUM iksy vI pMgqI ivc ivsLvfs dy rUp ivc nhI vriqaf igaf. ieh hY sfzy iswKI dy vwzy QMmF dy igafn df hfl?
jwQydfr jI svfl jvfb dy mUV ivc nf hox dy bfvjUd vI mYN afpxI ptfrI KolH ky bYT igaf qy pihlf svfl kIqf ik qusIN sfry ‘dsm gRMQ’ nUM gurU goibMd isMG dI ikRq mMndy ho pr BfeI kfhn isMG nfBf afpxy mhfn kosL ivc pMnf 295 qy Puwt not ivc ilKdy hn ik pMizq rfm ikRsLn df ricaf “BfgvqI pdX pusLpFjlI” bhuq purfxf hY ijsdy 30 iqRBMgI CMd hn. iesy df svqMqR anuvfd akfl Ausqiq df pfT hY. jo lyKk pRmod nfl dUjy cMzI cirqR ivwc nhIN iliKaf igaf. sfry iswKF nUM apIl hY ik Auh ‘mhfn kosL’ `c ieh Puwt not afp pVHn.
iesy sMDrB ivc Eh kihx lwgy ik kI BfeI kfhn isMG nfBf kol bYTy sn? svfl df jvfb dyKo kYsf Bwdf hY. mYN ikhf jI clo ieh,“ BfgvqI pdX pusLpFjlI” gRMQ bhuq purfxf hY . ho skdf hY ik imldf hI nf hovy pr gIqf qF afpxy kol hY. mfrkMzy purfx, jo dsm gRMQ dy pMnf 74 qoN sLurU ho ky pMnf 98 qk cldf hY, Bfgvq gIqf dy 700 slokF df AulwQf hY.dsm gRMQ df ilKfrI afp ieMÖ ilKdf hY:
gRMQ siqsX ko kirA jf sm avru nf koie]
ijh nimq kiv ny kihE su dyh cMizkf soie] 233]
ieh gwl koeI kvI kih irhf hY, gurU jI nhI.iesy hI qrHF hor keI bfxIaF hn ijhVIaF kvI rfm qy isXfm dIaf ilKIaF hoeIaF hn ijvyN pMnf 1245 qy iliKaf hoieaf hY ik:
su kib sXfm pUrn BXo qb hI kQf pRsMg]11]
ies qoN bfad kuJ grmf grmI hoeI qy jQydfr jI kihx ik asIN quhfzI iksy vI gwl df jvfb nhI dyxf. sR[ dljIq isMG pihlvfn jI kihx lwgy ik qusIN sfzy jQydfr ho. jy qusIN sfzIaF gwlF df jvfb nhI dyvogy qF hor kOx dyvygf? jQydfr jI df jvfb sI, “qyrI sLkl jQydfr nfl gwl krn vflI hY. mUMh isr mnf ky jQydfr bxdf ipaf hYN, kfhdI isiKaf dyE qYnUM akl nhIN hY?”. ieh hY sfzy jQydfrF dI imTfs BrI sLbdfvlI. mYN ikhf jI ieh vI quhfzI hI myhrbfnI hY, jy qusIN sfnUM kuJ isKfieaf huMdf qF ieh kuJ nf vfprdf. bs iPr kI sI iek jnfnI jo vuzbirj kYnyzf vfly pfsy qoN vI bYTI sI qy Ehny ivc lwq af aVfeI. iPr mYN ikhf jI clo dsm gRMQ nUM Cwz idMdy hF qy gwl gurU gRMQ sfihb dI krdy hF. jQydfr jI ieh dwso ik qusIN gurU gRMQ sfihb nUM pUrf gurU mMndy ho jF nhI? hux jy qF jwQydfr jI ieh kihMdy hn ik mYN gurU gRMQ sfihb nUM pUrf gurU mMndf hF qF Auh afp hI ies dlIl nfl dsm gRMQ nUM kwtdf hY. ikAuNik jy gurU gRMQ sfihb pUry gurU hn qF hor gurU dI koeI loV nhI qy ieho hI iswK isDFq hY. jy Eh ieh kihMdf hY ik mYN gurU gRMQ sfihb nUM pUrf gurU nhI mMndf qF Auh iswK hI nhI. ies krky nf hF qy nf nFh. iPr iehI aOrq bolI ik ieh vI koeI svfl hn qy kfPI sfrf smF boldI hI geI. ieWQy af ky sfzI gwl-bfq bMd ho geI qy vIzIE irkfizMg vI bMd kr idwqI geI.jwQydfr jI svfl jvfb dy mUV ivc nf hox dy bfvjUd vI mYN afpxI ptfrI KolH ky bYT igaf qy pihlf svfl kIqf ik qusIN sfry ‘dsm gRMQ’ nUM gurU goibMd isMG dI ikRq mMndy ho pr BfeI kfhn isMG nfBf afpxy mhfn kosL ivc pMnf 295 qy Puwt not ivc ilKdy hn ik pMizq rfm ikRsLn df ricaf “BfgvqI pdX pusLpFjlI” bhuq purfxf hY ijsdy 30 iqRBMgI CMd hn. iesy df svqMqR anuvfd akfl Ausqiq df pfT hY. jo lyKk pRmod nfl dUjy cMzI cirqR ivwc nhIN iliKaf igaf. sfry iswKF nUM apIl hY ik Auh ‘mhfn kosL’ `c ieh Puwt not afp pVHn.
iesy sMDrB ivc Eh kihx lwgy ik kI BfeI kfhn isMG nfBf kol bYTy sn? svfl df jvfb dyKo kYsf Bwdf hY. mYN ikhf jI clo ieh,“ BfgvqI pdX pusLpFjlI” gRMQ bhuq purfxf hY . ho skdf hY ik imldf hI nf hovy pr gIqf qF afpxy kol hY. mfrkMzy purfx, jo dsm gRMQ dy pMnf 74 qoN sLurU ho ky pMnf 98 qk cldf hY, Bfgvq gIqf dy 700 slokF df AulwQf hY.dsm gRMQ df ilKfrI afp ieMÖ ilKdf hY:
gRMQ siqsX ko kirA jf sm avru nf koie]
ijh nimq kiv ny kihE su dyh cMizkf soie] 233]
ieh gwl koeI kvI kih irhf hY, gurU jI nhI.iesy hI qrHF hor keI bfxIaF hn ijhVIaF kvI rfm qy isXfm dIaf ilKIaF hoeIaF hn ijvyN pMnf 1245 qy iliKaf hoieaf hY ik:
su kib sXfm pUrn BXo qb hI kQf pRsMg]11]
ies qoN bfad jQydfr jI nUM Gr vfly dUsry pfsy zrfieMg rUm ivc lY gey ijQy bYT ky EhnF cfh pfxI pIqf. ies qoN bfad Gr vfilaF ny Gr ivc crx pfAux dy ievjL `c pYrF qy Bry hoey ilPfPy smyq mwQf tyikaf qy GrvflI kfPI vwzf sfrf plfstk df kYrI bYg nIcy lY ky af rhI nUM mYN afpxIaF aWKF nfl vyiKaf qy jwQydfr jI smJ gey sn ik blf tl geI hY qy iKV iKV kr ky hws rhy sn.
ies qoN bfad asIN sfiraF ny jQydfr jI nUM Pqih bulfeI pr AunHF ny sfzI bulfeI Pqih df koeI jvfb nhI idwqf. asIN sfiraF ny ikhf ik jQydfr jI, gurU dI bKsI hoeI Pqih df jvfb qF qhfnUM dyxf cfhIdf sI. ieh kihMdy hoey asIN afpxy afpxy rsqy cwl pey.
gurU pMQ dy dfs,
isMG sBf ieMtrnYsLnl kYnyzf,
gurcrn isMG (ijAux vflf) brYNptn aqy sR[ jsbIr isMG mFgt brYNptn.
ieh vIzIE rIkfrizMg (www.singhsabhacanada.com) qy do ku hPiqaF bfad dyKI jf skygI.
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Giani ji
Thanks for starting 2 blogs. I can't read a thing but it doesn't matter. There is a punjabi speaking membership on SPN that will appreciate your effort to start blogs that explore current issues as they affect Sikhi and Gurbani.
AntoniaPosted 21-May-2008 at 02:44 AM by Narayanjot Kaur
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Gyani Jarnail Singh ji
I was very much interested to read but couldnt, even Gurmukhi I cannot read. If the problem is fonts, then how can I read other Gurmukhi on this site. I just wonder.Posted 23-May-2008 at 07:25 AM by pk70 -
the Font is DR.Chatrik web and used on most Web based Newspapers . But what is strange is that one day the font is fine - readable Gurmukhi..and the enxt it just looks like Gurmukhi but is goobledcook (nonsense jabbered Gurmukhi letters which make no sense). I checked and double checked before posting...all looked OK...now one post is goobledecook and one is fine ??
I am going to try and repost - and am also working on a BRIEF SUMMARY in ENGLISH so that more SPN's can benefit.Posted 25-May-2008 at 19:17 PM by Gyani Jarnail Singh 
- We can not read anything at all. If you want to discuss Dasam Granth than please do not start. The reason, we all have to well aware off The Dasam Granth I am very sure most of viewrs doesnt read Dasam Granth yet.
Thank you
Gur FatehPosted 26-May-2008 at 19:03 PM by BKaur
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