Is Bhagat Namdev Ji An Idol Worshipper?

The Rahao comes at the very beginning...because this is one of those times when the Bhagat ji is.saying..LOOK HERE !! ATTENTION !! DONT BE FOOLED. No more time for beating around the BUSH..just straight bulls eye...BOTTOM LINE.
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2. Aside point:
Just savour the LANGUAGE...so simple and straightforward...any Punjabi/Hindostani/Hindi/Urdu speaker with just apssing knowledge of those languages would be able to understand it perfectly....as if this was written TODAY.....when in FACT this is written nearly 100+ YEARS BEFORE KABIR JI....and long before GURU NANAK JI Sahib...

3. Bhagats namdev ji wrote his Gurbani 100 years before Bhagat Kabir Ji....and long before Guru nanak ji...and way before GURU ANGAD JI...BUT SIKHS have for a loong time stressed that GURMUKHI SCRIPT/PUNJABI was "invented" by Guru Angad Ji....then later in the light of new irrefutable evidence this claim was slightly modified to say..GURU NANAK Ji must have used GURMUKHI SCRIPT...and written in PUNJABI...BUT the solid irrefutable FACT of the matter is that in the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji we have a BAVAN AKHREE..containing ALL the Alphabets of Modern day Gurmukhi and more surprising is that Kbair Ji PRONOUNCES the Alphabets..OORRAA, AERRA, EERREE, SASSA etc exactly as we do TODAY. And Bhagat namdev Ji and the other Bhagats that came before MUST have used this same script and language. Maybe Guru Nanak ji did soem slight modifications and Guru Angad ji POPULARISED the Gurmukhi Script even more since the Gurbani of His master was in this language. Furthermore the Sanskrit was a CLOSED BANNED language..strictly FORBIDDEN to shudra usage..at Pain of DEATH. So the Shudra bhagats must have begin using a COMMON MANS language/Script for their writings. Certainly Guru Arjun Ji DID NOT ALTER/change the Original script/language of the Bahgats Gurbani...that would be wrong. Hnece this Gurbani is as written by Bhagat ji..and its so CONTEMPORARY !! and Down to earth Divine Message...so overwhelmingly beautiful.welc omemunda

 
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Do we all agree that Bhagatji was not Krishan's follower because Bhagat ji in Gond Rag categorically denies and condemn other Hindu Avtar [ Name Ajj Beeathal Dekehiaya } and Bhagat ji used other names too like RAMIYYA, RAMA, AKAL KHANNA, KALANDHAR,ABDALI ESUAMI, ETC. Even Guru Arjan devji used beethal word 6 times. Is there any doubtin some body's mind then I can explain more but if every body agree then we should move to next topic about Bhagatji like, Did bhagat made stone to drink milk? and Did Bhagat ji gave life to cow ?
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2nd thing is every body clear that Mander never rotated. Word 'PHIRAI' does not mean only rotation. The subject that line is plural. So it is general for all Bhagat that Mander could be anywhere. Whereever they sit the Mander is ther. If Nama Bhagat sat behind the mander then Mander is behind the Mander.. If any body has any doubt please come with it so that we can research more.
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Chamkaur Brar

I have created a new thread where we can have discussions of your questions.

* Did bhagat made stone to drink milk? and
* Did Bhagat ji gave life to cow ?


Discuss at this link http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/sikh-s...tml#post141370

Chamkaur Ji, what if Bhagat Nam Dev was a Krishan follower, does it change anything ? We are Sikhs, followers of the house of Guru Nanak Dev Ji and children of Guru Gobind Singh Ji. Our purpose and mission is to show the world how to live harmoniously with the blessings of Sri Guru Granth Sahib JiJ in a civilised society without the need for a critical evaluation of any of it's composers. So why don't we flick though the pages of Sri Guru Granth Sahib JiJ for a fruitful meaning and realisation of the spiritual essence rather than meaningless debate over who's who and who did whatsoever etc..
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Educate us on the meaning and the purpose of the verses enshrined within Sri Guru Granth Sahib JiJ. Tell us about the composers and the social state at the time when they composed so that we can better understand the prevalent conditions under which they composed. For instance, I am led to believe that Bhagat Kabir used the name "Kabir" purely for writing purposes ? Is that true ?

Tell us about "Jeevan Mukhti" -

Kind regards

Its written..<<<<<< Chamkaur Ji, what if Bhagat Nam Dev was a Krishan follower, does it change anything ? <<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>

Imho YES it does matter. Becasue the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji is showing us a Complete and Brand New Path..away form all the past pagdandees, beaten paths, established pathways...and all.
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KRISHAN has his own philosophy, path to God...BUT the SIKHS are NOT followers of that path. So its important to establish that no contributor to Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji is indeed following a different path..and that Bhagat namdev ji is in fact a follower of the Same One path set out in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji. YES Bhagat namdev Ji is following the Path of GURU NANAK JI and not Krishan Ji.

Original ji,

Guru Fateh.

You write:

Would you be kind enough to shed some light on the above?

Thanks & regards

Tejwant Singh

Yes Tejwant ji I will describe jeean Mukti as has been described in our Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji. But first Iwould like to add To GYani ji's answer for previous threader.
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There are some people who asks questions about Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji's contrubuter including Bhagatji. They also wrongly showing Bhagatji is stone Pujik or Krishan's follower. There some Derawale that in all Grdwaras keep on telling these three stories [MURTI POOJA,STONE DRANK MILK, AND GAVE LIFE TO COW}. To prove them wrong that Shabads written by Bhagat ji need to bexplained incontext with our Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji. We need to proove that people who have antipanthik opinion that they are taking only litteral meaning of the words in Shabad or just superficial meaning. They need to look the wordsused by Bhagatji as metaphers. They should explain Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji on basis of Gurbani Grammer. Please stop confusing our sangat. Starting frrom page one to 1430 of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji the message is consistant. All the contributer of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji are tested by our 5th Guru. They need to look deep into the vast occean of Gurbani. Fro derawales need to stop teeling the miracle stories. None of our Gurus and Bhagatji had shown any miracle. Message of Gurbani is to praise almighty by simeron and to live life with 5 principles like Sat, Santokh,Dya, Dharam,Anand, Vichar. guru called this is a Bhagati or santokhi jeevan. This is our liberation.
Chamkaur Brar

Dear All
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Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji teaches us "love and devotion" - let us not move away from the central theme. Let us promote and advocate the "word" of Guru Nanak in a user friendly mode rather than from a critical perspective. Accept Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji as the living God and preach the "word".
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Waheguru has provided this medium (SPN) for us to explore and meditate on "nam" - let us talk about "jeevan mukhti" or any other topic from which we can all enrich ourselves and share it with our neighbours . Let us tell the world philosophically of Guru's bani and not meddle with the literature therein.
Brgds