Did the Mandir ROTATE for Bhagat Namdev Ji?

Gyani ji and others,

Guru Fateh.

I would like to share with you all what happened yesterday at the Gurdawara divaan. The same shabad of Bhagat Naamdev was sung by a lady with a beautiful voice. And on the two giant screens the literal translation from "Sikhi to the Max" was shown which did say "the Temple physically turned around". Jaskeerat and Trimaan who sit next to me nudged me with a smirk on their faces because for them too it did not make any sense either.
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So, later on when I was explaining the meaning of the Hukumnaama, I talked about Bhagat Naamdev's Shabad. Many members of the sangat later on came to me and mentioned that they were delighted to know the true meaning of the Shabad.
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Interesting co-incidence to say the least.

Regards

Tejwant Singh

 
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Tejwant Singh ji thanks for the update.

One has to help clean up, one at a time, the misguided beliefs propogated for vehm (andh vishwas or blind faith in generally supenaturals), bharm (suspicions about auspicious times, kundli's, etc.) and chamatkar(Miracle).

I wish Sikhism custodians will pay some attention to it with some seriousness. I am sure there is a great constituency of Andh Vidvashi leaders who will fight it as their livelihood probably rests in the continuation of these anti-Sikhism interpretations. Nothing loosens people's wallets like "Sangat close your eyes, " when such concepts are mentioned by some parchariks/jathas/sants/mahants/etc.
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Sat Sri Akal.

PS: Perhaps another project for a Sikh soul to list as many of the prevailing vehms (andh vishwas or blind faith in generally supenaturals), bharms (suspicions about auspicious times, kundli's, etc.) and chamatkars (Miracle).

TEJWANT SINGH Ji

Pl accept my Divine Greetings,
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I know you are well aware where the problem lies.We shoiuld come forward to rectify the method of Gurbaani understanding if we are at all convinced about this cause of misunderstanding.

For so many years we have been listening to the same stories based on literal meanings of Gurbaani words.You must have noticed there are many METAPHORS used in Gurbaani .If the meanings of these METAPHORS is derived according to literal meanings of the words then the meanings do not match the Gurmati way .

Therefore there is need to find and establish the BASIC RULES of Gurbaani interpretation of course based on grammar of the words.THIS IS THE ONLY WAY WE CAN KNOW THE TRUE MESSAGES OF GURBAANI WITHOUT ANY CONFUSION.
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With best wishes
Prakash.s.Bagga

Tejwant ji

Gurfateh! The sangat was blessed that you were there to straighten things out! The ripple effect is what will make a difference, because they will feel more confident to spread that message. It is an uphill battle when an entire sangat must work against the forces of inertia (in the scientific sense only) that support these poojaree-hatched notions.

Tejwnat Ji,
I ma very happy to know what happened.
Thats exactly how each of us is expected to behave - unfortunatley most of us have decided to keep our eyes closed and let the "religious ones" have a field day..and what a FIELD DAY they have been having - fleecing our hard earned money, spreading utter falsehood, and not giving anyone a moment to "think" by saying loudly the Sleeping Mantra..Boloh satnam Waheguru !! Haan Ji Zor naal sareh bolo..Satnaam Waheguru....and the sangats follow...and NOW the Internet savvy/educated ones too are being waylaid..via these wrong translations being shown in Gurdwaras all over the world. If EACH SIKH going to Gurdwara is determined not to be MISLED..then we ahve the right formula...and Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji will triumph and we cna all go back with some GYAN.
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Congrats .

Pyari Sadh Sangat,

Guru Fateh.

Yes, each of us have to play our parts in a pro active manner to help the lay Sikhs to understand the true message of Gurbani so they can find more interest in it and make it their way of life rather than just parroting Nitnem daily and going to the Gurdwara on Sundays to enjoy the langar.

Last Sunday was the first time after many years I went to this Gurdwara. I used to do the English interpretation of the Hukumnaama there before the era of the wide screens and "Sikhi to the Max" literal translation posted on them. Then the new committee suddenly decided that because of the literal translation already given, they did not need my seva. Two Sundays ago, the brand new committee took over after five years and then they called me to do this seva again.

I used the literal translation to my advantage, showing the Sangat how the true message was distorted. Now the committee wants to have interfaith meetings with other religions and wants me to take part in it. I am also planning to take a Shabad sung by Bhai Sahib or the Sangat and give its true meaning while comparing it with the literal translation the following week.
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I would urge all the seekers who visit this forum to participate is some manner like this in their local Gurdwaras so that we can help people become true Sikhs, seekers, learners, students.

Thanks and regards

Tejwant Singh

TEJWANT SINGH Ji.
DIVINE GREETINGS,

THIS is one of the excellent SEWA one can get assigined by the grace of GURU.I may take the opporunity to mention a quote from Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji
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"GURU SIKHu SIKHu GURU EKO GUR UPDESu CHALAE" pp444
There is a great responsiblity for this service and I am sure with guidance of GURU you can certainly do this.
With best Wishes

Prakash.S.Bagga

So it is all about Love, faith and bhagti without any preconditions. I think all religions say so... may be in a different way.
The message gets lost due to lack of focus... or additions done by so called priests.
Sikh religion is relatively new and such additions which divert the mind from real thing is coming here too.
We need to send the message across to younger generation. Each Gurudwara must have projector or other means to put the meaning of shabad across the audience... otherwise we may loose it in a generation or two and then so called Religious heads will bring in their versionof religion in.

My personal view is not to worry about the state of the religious community but to focus on spiritual self cultivation. This does not imply that efforts should not be made for the development or sustainence of the community. The efforts need to be done in a detached manner, without attaching or investing egoic-self in it. The effort should be done because:
# It because it needs to be done
# Resources are available for it to be done
In my personal view it is wrong to do an effort thinking we can change the world or we can *save* our people from degeneration. This kind of thinking provide nourishment to ego. By doing this we start doing the very thing which we must not do i.e. sustain the haumai.
The correct way is to make an effortless effort. This means doing an effort with an attitude that we are just acting as the tools/instruments for the divine. And if the divine needs a work done, it will get it done one way or the other.
In my personal life I know of people who are quite oblivious that all the religious efforts they are doing are actually taking them away from real spiritual development. Any effort religious or otherwise needs to be checked if its being done from egoic point or humility.