Who Was The Guru Of Sahib Kabir?

Huck_Finn · #19 (**permalink**) 01-Jul-2008, 15:33 PM

Vijaydeep ji

you beat me to this

i was just about to post the same shabd

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ekmusafir_ajnabi · #20 (**permalink**) 01-Jul-2008, 16:59 PM

O Lord when will sense prevail among these preachers.

ਹਰਿ ਜਲਨਿਧਿ ਹਮ ਜਲ ਕੇ ਮੀਨੇ ਜਨ ਨਾਨਕ ਜਲ ਬਿਨੁ ਮਰੀਐ ਜੀਉ ॥੪॥੩॥
har jalanidhh ham jal kae meenae jan naanak jal bin mareeai jeeo ||4||3||
The Lord is the Treasure of Water; I am just a fish in that water. Without this Water, servant Nanak would die. ||4||3||
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/bhagats/22222-who-was-the-guru-sahib-kabir.html

The Lord is like a vast Ocean and we are like a small fish in that ocean. Guru Nanak says without the Lords Naam (see previous verse) we will die (death of conscious) like a fish out of the ocean.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=22222

ekmusafir_ajnabi · #21 (**permalink**) 01-Jul-2008, 17:14 PM

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Originally Posted by randip singh

Very true and very interesting....some Vaisnavite groups (in order to prove that Sikhism is indeed Hinduism), state that Guru Nanak was a follower of Bhaghat Kabir (not true).

How do we know this, see
www.sikh-history.com/sikhhist/events/kabir.html

In this Kabir ji describes the woman as " a Black Cobra" not to be trusted, wheras our Guru's completely say the opposite:

Unfortunately ones understanding does not and cannot extend beyond ones limitations set at the time of birth. This is a bitter reality. Become Kabir to understand Kabir. I concur with him. What kabir ji is describing is his experience. It shows the mental state of a Sadhu/Saint who has risen above Kaam. One who has conquered Kaam.

Please read on the internet what Vaishnavism is about. Your views are very biased and prejudicial due to your lack of knowledge and understanding. You may consider this as a personal attack. It is not intended to be. Take this as an advice. Plz feel free to ask for assistance and understanding if needed in your quest.

Honey22 · #22 (**permalink**) 01-Jul-2008, 18:02 PM

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Originally Posted by aad0002

This verse says, that He is His Creation. It does not say that His Creation is as great as He is. Creation cannot be greater than the One who Created it.

aad0002 Ji,
It seems like you simply want to argue about something that you have no idea what you are talking about. Thanks for the above comments, you simplfied everything yourself.

'Guru is God' for the whole humanity.
ਗੁਰੁ ਪਰਮੇਸਰੁ ਏਕੁ ਹੈ ਸਭ ਮਹਿ ਰਹਿਆ ਸਮਾਇ ॥
gur paramaesar eaek hai sabh mehi rehiaa samaae ||
The Guru and the Transcendent Lord are one and the same, pervading and permeating amongst all.

ਹਰਿ ਜਨ ਪ੍ਰਭੁ ਰਲਿ ਏਕੋ ਹੋਏ ਹਰਿ ਜਨ ਪ੍ਰਭੁ ਏਕ ਸਮਾਨਿ ਜੀਉ ॥
har jan prabh ral eaeko hoeae har jan prabh eaek samaan jeeo ||
The Lord's servants meet with God and merge into Oneness. The Lord's servant and God are one and the same.

ਕਰਿ ਕਿਰਪਾ ਰਾਖਿਓ ਗੁਰਿ ਸਰਨਾ ॥
kar kirapaa raakhiou gur saranaa ||
In His Mercy, the Guru has kept me under His protection.
ਗੁਰਿ ਪਕਰਾਏ ਹਰਿ ਕੇ ਚਰਨਾ ॥
gur pakaraaeae har kae charanaa ||
The Guru has attached me to the Lord's Feet.
ਬੀਸ ਬਿਸੁਏ ਜਾ ਮਨ ਠਹਰਾਨੇ ॥
bees bisueae jaa man theharaanae ||
When the mind is totally held in check,
ਗੁਰ ਪਾਰਬ੍ਰਹਮ ਏਕੈ ਹੀ ਜਾਨੇ ॥੨॥
gur paarabreham eaekai hee jaanae ||2||
one sees the Guru and the Supreme Lord God as one and the same. ||2||

aad ant eke avtaara soi guru samjheo hamaara- Dhan Guru Gobind Singh Ji

mesweetcute · #23 (**permalink**) 01-Jul-2008, 18:09 PM

ya honey yr saying ryt......but listen there is nessary to be a guru wid physical body.........who will tell us the way ........wid the helpl of dat we will go to our desitation................u said kabir`s ji guru is god...see god is omnipresent as kabir sahib says "moke kahan donde bande main to tere pass" par present guru will tell the way to reach our destination.............but my question is for sahib kabir`s real guru...............as for ramamnand ji he was the followr of vaishnav-mat...later he also followed the teachiongs of sahib kabir......so the main question is that who was the guru of true aint sahib kabir???

Honey22 · #24 (**permalink**) 01-Jul-2008, 18:23 PM

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Originally Posted by mesweetcute

ya honey yr saying ryt......but listen there is nessary to be a guru wid physical body.........who will tell us the way ........wid the helpl of dat we will go to our desitation................u said kabir`s ji guru is god...see god is omnipresent as kabir sahib says "moke kahan donde bande main to tere pass" par present guru will tell the way to reach our destination.............but my question is for sahib kabir`s real guru...............as for ramamnand ji he was the followr of vaishnav-mat...later he also followed the teachiongs of sahib kabir......so the main question is that who was the guru of true aint sahib kabir???

It is very simple mesweetcute Ji, The same Guru which happened to be the Guru of Dhan Guru Nanak Dev Ji-

permeating everywhere

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"moko kahan donde bande main to tere pass"

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mesweetcute · #25 (**permalink**) 01-Jul-2008, 18:29 PM

well........honey thankz for reply.....

ekmusafir_ajnabi · #26 (**permalink**) 01-Jul-2008, 20:04 PM

Ramananda was a disciple of Raghavananda, an ascetic of the Sri Vaishnava order, expounded by Ramanuja and was known for his downplaying the role of caste.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=22222

He had disciples from all castes. His most famous disciples were Anantananda, Bhavananda, Dhanna Bhagat, Kabir, Nabha, Naraharyananda, Pipa, Ravidas, Sain, Sukhananda, and Tulsidas.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=22222

Source : Internet

mesweetcute:
Now as a spiritualist how does that assist you. Some just ask questions for that sake of it. Plz enlighten us with your experience.

Honey22:

There is more to Sikhism than the niche well you have created for your self. Join the ocean to understand the Leela else you will remain making small leaps and rounds within your well.

Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji is a guide for one to realise and discover God within oneself. Know thyself and you will know God.

Honey22 · #27 (**permalink**) 01-Jul-2008, 20:12 PM

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Originally Posted by ekmusafir_ajnabi

Honey22:

There is more to Sikhism than the niche well you have created for your self. Join the ocean to understand the Leela else you will remain making small leaps and rounds within your well.

Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji is a guide for one to realise and discover God within oneself. Know thyself and you will know God.

Ekmusafir_ajnabi Ji, very much thanks for your concerns, sir/madam. Good Luck.

ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤ ਬਾਣੀ ਹਰਿ ਹਰਿ ਤੇਰੀ ॥
anmrith baanee har har thaeree ||
The Word of Your Bani, Lord, is Ambrosial Nectar.
ਸੁਣਿ ਸੁਣਿ ਹੋਵੈ ਪਰਮ ਗਤਿ ਮੇਰੀ ॥
sun sun hovai param gath maeree ||
Hearing it again and again, I am elevated to the supreme heights.
ਜਲਨਿ ਬੁਝੀ ਸੀਤਲੁ ਹੋਇ ਮਨੂਆ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਕਾ ਦਰਸਨੁ ਪਾਏ ਜੀਉ ॥੧॥
jalan bujhee seethal hoe manooaa sathigur kaa dharasan paaeae jeeo ||1||
The burning within me has been extinguished, and my mind has been cooled and soothed, by the Blessed Vision of the True Guru. ||1||