Bhakt Ravidas being called SatGuru Ravidas

SatSriAkal everyone
I was listening to the radio today and i heard that some gurudawaras and people were celebrating Bhakt Ravidas's birthday. Also the guy announcing on the radio called him SatGuru Ravidas. I also found out from a few people that many people are refereing to Bhakt Ravidas as SatGuru Ravidas. I just wanna know if anyone knows about this and what you think about this. I don't it's right to refer to him as SatGuru.
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Waheguru Ji ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji ki Fateh.

The Bhagat Ravidass whose Sacred bani is in the GURU GRANTH JI is a Bhagat to all Sikhs. ( One of the Main reasons Ravidass is famous today is also due to the fact that his Bani is preserved via inclusion in Guru Granth Ji Sahib )

However a few (in fact quite a lot) misguided people have sought to GLORIFY the CASTE of Bhagat Ji and build Gurdwaras after his Caste, and attempted to allevate him to GURU and SATGURU. This is totally wrong as our Guru Ji calls him BHAGAT..and thats what He is for us. These people have even coined a new word for their caste..RAVIDASSIAHS....( normally called chumaars - leather craftsmen and carriers of dead animals carcasses etc).
This si agian agaisnt Gurmatt as GURMATT of GURBANI bans all CASTES.

Jarnail Singh

Add - On: Recently, someone made a picture of Bhagat ji with a turban. And there was a big chaos by Ravidasiahs, that how come one dare insult Bhagat ji, by putting a turban on him!!!!????

Bhagat Ravidass' bani is present in Guru Granth Sahib ji, as Guru Sahib intended to abolish caste system. But by building different caste based gurudwaras, we are pulling ourselves back into those old ages.

Ek Oankar Wahiguru Ji Ki Fateh

Problem with caste based Gurudwaras is that often in main stream Singh Sabh type of Gurudwaras.As it is in sgpc.People are more interested in there position then Sikhi Prachar or preaching.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/bhagats/2109-bhakt-ravidas-being-called-satguru-ravidas.html

Missioanries are just on payrole and any intitiative by them goes to dustbin as it is seen as a risk to pro status que management ,who hardly are aware of Gurmat but there self interset of chaudhripana.

As often 'lower' caste are devoid of education or finance or are less them presuure groups of Jatts or Ramgarhias or Bhapas who control the Gurudwars so they('lower caste' have not say.

So they make a seperate Gurudwara.In Fact Prabandhaks or mamangement who is Jatt or Ramgarhia or Bhapa are not Sikh at all as there is no caste in Panth.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=2109

Reason for apostasy in Punjab is this also that present Day Sikh leadership like in sgpce are not role model but jokers.Then there are sants who live a lavish life.So young childern copy them and feel like to go in west and have similare life so they too give up Sikhi for matterial gain.

These Sants at least are interseted that if Sangat come then there Dera or Gurudwara will be visited by more people so they do carry out preaching.But elected Prabandhak want to maintain there hegomony over Gurudwaras.So they may even discourage newer people from coming to Gurudwara just by seeing a potential competitor in them.

Then missionaries who go to west are from rural Punjab and on there payrole and they may not be at all comfertable to have a raport with local young generation.

Best thing is to let local in there respective area get trained as a missioary.Next they may do it voluntarly and may not be afraid of scarping of wages by Prabandhak.

If possilbe let missionaries either overtake Gurudwaras from idiot Prabandhak or on the line of Sant start there own.

If Preaching is OK ,then People will understand that Neither Body of any of the Ten Master is Guru nor Any Bhagat like Sant Ravidas Ji but Guru is Gurubani,Verbal manifestation of Gurubar Akal.

SSA
as said by vijaydeep singh ji (If Preaching is OK ,then People will understand that Neither Body of any of the Ten Master is Guru nor Any Bhagat like Sant Ravidas Ji but Guru is Gurubani,Verbal manifestation of Gurubar Akal )

In this case did you mean that neither Body of any of the Ten Master nor Any Bhagat like Sant Ravidas Ji should be called Guru or Satguru ? Means only Shabad is guru. Then why all of us refer to the 1 masters as guru?
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=2109
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=2109
Why don.t we try to find the defination of guru or satguru from Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji and try to apply that to find out that who should be refered as guru or satguru. The only and the final truth can be found only from Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji
bhul chuk maaf

Dear Gur Fatheh Ji,

Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji speaks with one voice its not important who's bani we contemplate it is the content that holds importance. Gurus and Bhagat reside in the same voice(bani). You will never find any contradiction in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji. Having the status of Bhaghat does not reduces the status, or Guru does not increases the status.

A Bhagat is only a Bhagat when there is Bhagwan in the same mind, only than this relationship is complete. Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji explains that when this relationship is established there is no difference between Bhaghat and Bagwaan. Bhagwaan the Guide and Bhagat the devotee. One who just calls self a Bagat without Bhagwaan is only fooling self.

In my view, in light of Gurbani(launguage of knowledge) the word Satguru is not an individual rather than TRUTH-The TEACHER.

erope ji

It does matter whose "bani" we contemplate. Bani is not Guru's Bani if it is not in the Sri Guru Granth Sahib. This is per gurmat and true for Sikhs.

Many a sufi or other religious person maybe have been bhagat with bhagwan. As Sikhs we do not contemplate their bani. Though we may appreciate it. The same could hold for any religion: John of the Cross of Christianity or Kind David of the Hebrew Bible. They were bhagats in their own worlds. Their writings are not Bani for Sikhi. Writings of Kabir ji that are not in Guru Granth are not bani. Writings of any other sant ji in Sikhi that is not included in Guru Granth is not Bani.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=2109
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=2109

The undermining of the Sikh panth today as we read this thread is massive by attempt to add yet more to the Bani of our Gurus, be it Sarbloh Granth or "Dasam Granth" or mystic writings of 19th Century poets.

Simply asserting that there is all this bani outside of Guru Granth does not change things no matter how often it is said and how many people say it.

You may have misunderstood what I wrote. I clearly said Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji speaks with one voice every single word written in it. When I read I pay no attention as to who actually wrote the words. If you believe that I should pay attention as to who wrote the actual words has any importance than you and I disagree unless you could explain as to why I should.

eropa ji

The bani that iis Bani for Sikhs is only that which is contained within Sri Guru Granth Sahib. Everything in that granth, yes, speaks with one voice, and only what is in that granth. If it is not in Guru Granth then it is not Bani.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=2109
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=2109

It was this sentence that gave me concern, "A Bhagat is only a Bhagat when there is Bhagwan in the same mind, only than this relationship is complete."

Any thing written by Sant Ravidas that is not in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji then it is not bani.