Salok Sheikh Farid ji 13-25 / ਸਲੋਕ ਸੇਖ ਫਰੀਦ ਕੇ ੧੩ - ੨੫

japjisahib04 · #10 (**permalink**) 18-Apr-2012, 07:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Gyani Jarnail Singh

So IF in the very last section of a Raag, where Bani is BHAGAT BANI..and compositions of various Bhagats are entered..a random shabd/tuks under heading Mahalla Pehla/Teeja/Panjvaan means that particular shabd tuk is by the GURU whose Mehalla is stated. But since that shabad is a commentary on the Bhagat bani..no nanak chhap is used at the conclusion.

Giani Veer Ji

Since as per rule chaudpadai has four stanza, dupada has two and ashtpadhi has eight stanza. I would be obliged if you could kindly go from page 220 to 229 and see ashtapadhi No.5, , 8th and 9th have 9 stanzas and 9th Astpadi has 12 stanzas. If it is ashtpadhi why this inconsistency? Would be obliged.

Best regard
Mohinder Singh Sahni
Kuwait

Ambarsaria · #11 (**permalink**) 18-Apr-2012, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by japjisahib04

Giani Veer Ji

Since as per rule chaudpadai has four stanza, dupada has two and ashtpadhi has eight stanza. I would be obliged if you could kindly go from page 220 to 229 and see ashtapadhi No.5, , 8th and 9th have 9 stanzas and 9th Astpadi has 12 stanzas. If it is ashtpadhi why this inconsistency? Would be obliged.

Best regard
Mohinder Singh Sahni
Kuwait

japjisahib04 ji the limits you flagged are incorrect to be assigned Astpadi structure as it is not so flagged or written in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji.

Instead note the following,

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ਰਾਗੁ ਗਉੜੀ ਅਸਟਪਦੀਆ ਮਹਲਾ ੧ ਗਉੜੀ ਗੁਆਰੇਰੀ
रागु गउड़ी असटपदीआ महला १ गउड़ी गुआरेरी
Rāg ga▫oṛī asatpaḏī▫ā mėhlā 1 ga▫oṛī gu▫ārerī
Raag Gauree, Ashtapadees, First Mehl: Gauree Gwaarayree:
ੴ ਸਤਿਨਾਮੁ ਕਰਤਾ ਪੁਰਖੁ ਗੁਰ ਪ੍ਰਸਾਦਿ ॥
ੴ सतिनामु करता पुरखु गुर प्रसादि ॥
Ik▫oaŉkār saṯnām karṯā purakẖ gur parsāḏ.
One Universal Creator God. Truth Is The Name. Creative Being Personified. By Guru's Grace:

Bottom 220 to Top 223 are in Astpadi Structure in ਗਉੜੀ ਗੁਆਰੇਰੀ only

These follow the 8 shand structure.

ਗਉੜੀ ਮਹਲਾ ੧ ॥
गउड़ी महला १ ॥
Ga▫oṛī mėhlā 1.
Gauree, First Mehl:
ਦੂਜੀ ਮਾਇਆ ਜਗਤ ਚਿਤ ਵਾਸੁ ॥
दूजी माइआ जगत चित वासु ॥
Ḏūjī mā▫i▫ā jagaṯ cẖiṯ vās.
The duality of Maya dwells in the consciousness of the people of the world.

Top 223 to top of 229 are not flagged as Astpadian in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji.

ਰਾਗੁ ਗਉੜੀ ਗੁਆਰੇਰੀ ਮਹਲਾ ੩ ਅਸਟਪਦੀਆ
रागु गउड़ी गुआरेरी महला ३ असटपदीआ
Rāg ga▫oṛī gu▫ārerī mėhlā 3 asatpaḏī▫ā
Raag Gauree Gwaarayree, Third Mehl, Ashtapadees:
ੴ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਪ੍ਰਸਾਦਿ ॥
ੴ सतिगुर प्रसादि ॥
Ik▫oaŉkār saṯgur parsāḏ.
One Universal Creator God. By The Grace Of The True Guru:
ਮਨ ਕਾ ਸੂਤਕੁ ਦੂਜਾ ਭਾਉ ॥
मन का सूतकु दूजा भाउ ॥
Man kā sūṯak ḏūjā bẖā▫o.
The pollution of the mind is the love of duality.

Top to bottom of 229 are in Astpadi structure.

These follow the 8 shand structure.

I believe you are assuming a structure in the region 220-229 that is not so stated in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji or so implied.

Sat Sri Akal.

japjisahib04 · #12 (**permalink**) 18-Apr-2012, 19:50 PM

Thank you S. Ambarsaria Ji. But at the end of sixteen ashtpadhi it is written in word sixteen ashtpadhies. Can you recheck and confirm back.

Best regards
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/bani-sheikh-farid/38368-salok-sheikh-farid-ji-13-25-a.html
Mohinder Singh Sahni
Kuwait

Ambarsaria · #13 (**permalink**) 19-Apr-2012, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by japjisahib04

Thank you S. Ambarsaria Ji. But at the end of sixteen ashtpadhi it is written in word sixteen ashtpadhies. Can you recheck and confirm back.

Best regards
Mohinder Singh Sahni
Kuwait

japjisahib ji thanks for your post.

For me there are two ways to read and understand Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji.

1. Vocabulary based and basic structure of the language based

Gur ji were communicating and sharing the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji elements not with M. Sc. and Ph. D. students but among all with various levels of maturity and educational backgrounds. The important thing being how did they do it and why don't I try to follow something akin to that.
For me this is the approach that makes sense to me.

2. Grammar and Deduced Rules Based and driven study

To me this is trying to fit something after the fact based on our limitations. This has been expounded here by some as a pre-requisite to any understanding. I find it to have some validity but overall of little practical value
What Guru ji write in an Astapadi, in different Raags and variations thereof, the length and size of shands and panktis, the overall flow of the writing and the composition of a Shabad/Astpadi as a critical mass requiring delineation, I accept it as written with the title and essence that it is written with.
Any excessive rigor after the fact espoused by some would simply keep pushing Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji away from the common towards the elite.
- I believe such to be personally distasteful and even diversionary
  - Japjisahib 04 ji please this is not addressed to you as I greatly respect your questions, comments and inputs but is a general comment as some other writers and poster keep pushing this line.
I rather not partake in putting structures of imagination five hundred years later to compositions whose authors simply were far too brilliant for me to even understand all even if I was meeting them face to face.

Humbly I will not like to comment further along such line of dialog at least in the topic of this thread which is related to Sheikh Farid ji.

Sat Sri Akal.