Did God create an imperfect world?

What do we mean by "perfect" and "imperfect"?
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ਦਾਦਰ ਤੂ ਕਬਹਿ ਨ ਜਾਨਸਿ ਰੇ ॥
dhaadhar thoo kabehi n jaanas rae ||
You frog, you will never understand.


ਭਖਸਿ ਸਿਬਾਲੁ ਬਸਸਿ ਨਿਰਮਲ ਜਲ ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤੁ ਨ ਲਖਸਿ ਰੇ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥
bhakhas sibaal basas niramal jal anmrith n lakhas rae ||1|| rehaao ||
You eat the dirt, while you dwell in the immaculate waters. You know nothing of the ambrosial nectar there. ||1||Pause||

Guru Nanak Dev ji Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji Ang 990


WHY TRY TO FIT IN? YOU WERE BORN TO STAND OUT!

Mai Ji, when a woman falls in love with a man, she only sees him as a perfect match and overlooks all the imperfections. Why?

Namjap ji,

"Falling in love" is a sort of insanity; if you look for logic, you'll be disappointed.

BTW, in my experience, the same holds for men.

Tejwant Ji

Interpreting Japji is not a joke. There are hundreds of interpretation and I have gone through some of it and was dispointed that most of them did not dive deep and treasure remained undiscovered in the pre-occupation with the literal interpretaion and thus had churned only the shell. The precious jewels and pearls are lost in their ego and exposure of command over language and difficult word only. It is not the job of those who seek to interpret with their acamedic university knowledge but of those who can grasp by listening, live in baani engrossed with love and can become baani and with that birha then sing, 'baani Guru hai baani vich baani amrit sarai' and then you will see that by singing baani itself will lead the path to dive deeper and speak the meaning. I am however ready for this spiritual journey. I may tell you during this spiritual journey, we might encounter Guru Nanak Sahib in his partakh roop.

Best regards

Mohinder Singh ji,

Guru Fateh.

You write:

I agree with you. It would be a bit arrogant on our part if we separated Jap from all the other Gurbani in 1429 pages of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, our only Guru. If Gurbani were easy to interpret then we as Sikhs would not have had the Gurmat train to ride on. Understanding Gurbani is a life long endeavour. That is why Sikhi is a wonderful journey where our inner landscape changes when we look within through the windows of Gurbani during this journey of ours.

Pardon my ignorance but I did not quite get this.

Can you explain the above in lay man's terms?

What do you mean by "It is not the job of those who seek to interpret with their acamedic university knowledge"?

Do you mean academic knowledge is Sikhi's worst enemy rather than best friend?

If that were true then our Gurus would not use words like Mann Rakhiyei bhao, Dyan, Vichaar and many other words.

How can one understand this beautiful message by just by singing "'baani Guru hai baani vich baani amrit sarai' and then you will see that by singing baani itself will lead the path to dive deeper and speak the meaning"?

Do you mean only by listening to and singing Gurbani one can be engrossed in love and is suffice, but not by understanding it and putting it into our second nature so we live it 24/7 or Are reading, listening and singing just the baby steps for one to walk towards the latter?

I am glad you are, so am I and I am sure the same can be said about many other readers of this forum.

Pardon my ignorance once again, but what do you really mean by what is written in bold?

Can you elaborate that for me?

And when shall we begin?

Thanks & regards

Tejwant Singh

Tejwant Ji,
Gurbani is not letter to be interpreted by scholar as compared it by you earlier, it is not an ordinary song that a poet can understand it, it is not a history that historian can interpret. It is not science that a scienstist can interpret in laboratory. It is a brahm gian so only brahm giani can understand its value and discover the real treasure lying within . logu jwnY iehu gIqu hY iehu qau bRhm bIcwr ] People believe that this is just a song and they interpret accordingly, but it is a meditation on God thus only those who are imbued with His love can understand the mystic state of bliss.(Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji 335.10). Baani birlai beechari. As gurbani tells, ‘brahm giani ki gat brahmgiani janeh’ a mystic stage. So once you start this journey with me with total commitment and surrender, very soon you will realize what I may saying.
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Best regards

Mohinder ji,

Guru Fateh.

Thanks for prejudging me. Is this the way you call your surrender to Ik Ong Kaar?

Does you surrender to Ik Ong Kaar teach you how to judge others and doubt their quest to seek the ONE?

How interesting!!!


Regards

Tejwant Singh

All forum members must return to the topic. I am myself guilty of contributing to a digression on fonts. Much appreciated.

Mohinder Singh ji

Gurfateh

I normally get a few hours at the weekend to catch with the events on SPN. Weekdays disappear in work and travel.

I have very much enjoyed your dialogue with our mutual dear friend Tejwant Singh ji who has the art of bringing the best out of contributors on this forum by asking some excellent and persistent questions. We must all endeavour to seek the answers together as you and Tejwant ji rightly observe and that interpreting Japji is certainly no easy task. I have learnt a lot from this thread and must thank all who have made this such a rewarding experience.

I know that you have listened to Maskeen ji’s interpretation of Japji Sahib (originally recorded as 20 cassettes). I too listened to these many years ago several times and since we have now progressed to CD players I would need to buy these in the CD format.

I recently watched Maskeen ji’s video on the Sikh Channel and he backed what you say. He said once he refused his publishers to print his translation of 16 Pauris as he was not entirely satisfied with the translation –this coming from a great scholar put my own meagre knowledge in perspective.Then he went on to say that he had seen and heard many versions of translations and each was good on its own merits and an individual derives the meaning as per his or her understanding and level of spiritual awareness – wise, humble and tolerant words of a true scholar. I have recently been trying to translate Japji in my own words and needless to say that the progress is extremely slow but I enjoy every minute of it.

Kind regards and keep enlightening us.

Rajinder Singh ‘Arshi’