Connecting People to Sikhism                Serving Since 2004
Sikh Philosophy Network
Members 6,576 | Topics 20,642 | Comments 79,448 | Active 90
  
Shaadi.com Matrimonials - Register for FREE  
MainpageClick Here to Register at SikhismLink PartnersBookmarkssikhismsikhsikhismLinks Directory

Anand Sahib - Pauri 38


Discuss Anand Sahib - Pauri 38 within the Anand Sahib forums, part of the Guru Granth Sahib category; Dear Khalsa Ji, My understanding of 38th Pauri of Anand Sahib, I share with you. 1. hir jIau guPw AMdir ...

 
Go Back   Sikhism > The Sikh Scriptures > Guru Granth Sahib > Anand Sahib

Announcements

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Anand Sahib - 29 Pauri Amarpal Anand Sahib 0 16-03-2005 05:11 PM
Anand Sahib - Pauri 27 Amarpal Anand Sahib 0 14-03-2005 02:17 PM
Anand Sahib - Pauri 10 Amarpal Anand Sahib 0 06-12-2004 02:38 PM
Anand Sahib - Pauri 9 Amarpal Anand Sahib 0 29-11-2004 03:13 PM
Anand Sahib - Pauri 8th Amarpal Anand Sahib 0 25-11-2004 12:25 PM

Post New Topic In This Forum  Reply
 
LinkBack Tools Display Modes
  #1 (permalink)  
Old 21-04-2005, 04:01 PM
Amarpal's Avatar
SPN Sewadaar
 
Enrolled: Jun 2004
Location: India
Age: 63
Posts: 423
Anand Sahib - Pauri 38 >> Invite Your Friends

Dear Khalsa Ji,

My understanding of 38th Pauri of Anand Sahib, I share with you.

1. hir jIau guPw AMdir riK kY vwjw pvxu vjwieAw ] har jee-o gufaa andar rakh kai vaajaa pavan vajaa-i-aa.

It is ‘The Sat’ who put life in the womb that enables the being to start breathing.

My understanding:

In this sentence gufaa is a metaphor; it refers to the space or shell in which the life starts - womb, egg or seed. Guru Sahib states the fact as to how the life of every being starts. As we know all living entities breathe during their lifetime.

2. vjwieAw vwjw paux nau duAwry prgtu kIey dsvw gupqu rKwieAw ] vajaa-i-aa vaajaa pa-un na-o du-aaray pargat kee-ay dasvaa gupat rakhaa-i-aa.

Having breath live into the being (human), the nine openings are visible the tenth is kept hidden.

My understanding:

Guru Sahib tells that there are ten openings in we humans. The nine – two eyes, two ears, two nostrils, one mouth, two openings for excretion of waste matter from body – are explicit; they are known to every one. Every one does not know the tenth opening. My past learning tells that Guru Sahib is referring to the subtle way through which the essence of the being passes to merges with ‘The Sat’. This opening is secret and subtle because it is not physical.

3. gurduAwrY lwie BwvnI ieknw dsvw duAwru idKwieAw ] gurdu-aarai laa-ay bhaavnee iknaa dasvaa du-aar dikhaa-i-aa.

Those who have the mental disposition that is needed at the entrance of the Guru, get to see the tenth door.

My understanding:

Guru Sahib tells that the right mental disposition at Gurdwara enables the person to know the tenth door.

Here it is important to dwell on few of the words used in this sentence.

Gurdwara as we all know is a building that houses Sri Guru Granth Sahib. Building, as such, cannot give any spiritual knowledge. The building becomes Gurdwara because Sri Guru Granth Sahib is placed there. Now Sri Guru Granth Sahib is a Granth. As we see this Granth, apart for the reverence we Sikhs have for it, does not enlighten me in any way. Only on reading Sri Guru Granth Sahib, understanding what is said in it, extracting the knowledge contained in it and internalising it into ones being i.e. by resonating with the Shabad in real life, the individual can acquire the spiritual wisdom.

It is this state of spiritual wisdom that Guru Sahib has referred to as ‘Bhavaanee’; it is the needed mental acumen and disposition.

With this new state of mind the person gets elevated to a level in spirituality from where the individual is able to see or visualise or perceive the tenth door – the way to reach ‘The Sat’.

4. qh Anyk rUp nwau nv iniD iqs dw AMqu n jweI pwieAw ] tah anayk roop naa-o nav niDh tis daa ant na jaa-ee paa-i-aa.

There are many forms and names with new and new treasure of attributes and there is no end to it that can be found.

My understanding:

Guru Sahib tells that there are endless forms names and attributes in which ‘The Sat’ manifests. Guru Sahib has said so because he knows that in each of the living entity ‘The Sat’ and only ‘The Sat’ is there. As I understand the entire manifestation is nothing but ‘The Sat’; the totality is ‘One’.

5. khY nwnku hir ipAwrY jIau guPw AMdir riK kY vwjw pvxu vjwieAw ]38] kahai naanak har pi-aarai jee-o gufaa andar rakh kai vaajaa pavan vajaa-i-aa. ||38||

Says Nanak, beloved beings of ‘The Sat’, in the womb ‘The Sat’ placed the life that enabled you to resonate.

My understanding:

After giving us the key to the tenth door and explaining the ‘Oneness’ of the entire manifestation, Guru Sahib tells again that each person has become a living entity only because ‘The Sat’ placed Jot into her or him. This Jot is nothing but ‘The Sat’ in every being. It is the same force that initiated sustains and concludes the life in each being. This way we all are one. The whole manifestation is one.

Here I am reminded of one saying from a sage:

“If you are confused, there are thousand differentiations, ten thousand distinctions. If you are enlightened, every thing is the same family”.

With this I close this post.
With love and respect for all.



Amarpal Singh




Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #2 (permalink)  
Old 25-04-2005, 01:07 AM
luthra_sumeet's Avatar
SPN Sewadaar
 
Enrolled: Apr 2005
Location: India
Age: 28
Posts: 18
Re: Anand Sahib: 38th Pauri: My understanding >> Invite Your Friends

amarpal ji,

i think in the first line the guru meant that gufa is the body of the person, which not just during the birth but whole lifetime he is giving us the air to breathe.

1. hir jIau guPw AMdir riK kY vwjw pvxu vjwieAw ] har jee-o gufaa andar rakh kai vaajaa pavan vajaa-i-aa.

would like to invite comments if some one feels otherwise as i too am learning gurbani.

-Sumeet Singh Luthra




Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #3 (permalink)  
Old 25-04-2005, 05:24 PM
Amarpal's Avatar
SPN Sewadaar
 
Enrolled: Jun 2004
Location: India
Age: 63
Posts: 423
Re: Anand Sahib: 38th Pauri: My understanding >> Invite Your Friends

Dear Sumeet Singh Ji,

The sentence under discussion refers to the stage of initiation i.e. at the point of conception. That is why I have stated to be the womb. The metaphor Gufa is right for womb.

Life is not put in the body. When life is put by 'The Sat' body as such does not exist. Life is put before the body is formed. As a consequence of this life being put into the womb by 'The Sat' that the body gets formed.

Once this initiation of life is done it continues till 'The Sat' wishes, as you have said in your post.

With love and respect for all.

Amarpal Singh




Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #4 (permalink)  
Old 25-04-2005, 10:47 PM
luthra_sumeet's Avatar
SPN Sewadaar
 
Enrolled: Apr 2005
Location: India
Age: 28
Posts: 18
Re: Anand Sahib: 38th Pauri: My understanding >> Invite Your Friends

Quote:
Originally Posted by Amarpal
Dear Sumeet Singh Ji,

The sentence under discussion refers to the stage of initiation i.e. at the point of conception. That is why I have stated to be the womb. The metaphor Gufa is right for womb.

Life is not put in the body. When life is put by 'The Sat' body as such does not exist. Life is put before the body is formed. As a consequence of this life being put into the womb by 'The Sat' that the body gets formed.

Once this initiation of life is done it continues till 'The Sat' wishes, as you have said in your post.

With love and respect for all.

Amarpal Singh
Let me check more on this but sahib singh ji's teeka on anand sahib and some gurmat classes that i took had that gufa= body and not the womb.

also i wd like to know which word(s) suggest that it is being talked about point of conception.




Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #5 (permalink)  
Old 26-04-2005, 11:50 AM
Amarpal's Avatar
SPN Sewadaar
 
Enrolled: Jun 2004
Location: India
Age: 63
Posts: 423
Re: Anand Sahib: 38th Pauri: My understanding >> Invite Your Friends

Dear Sumeet Ji,

What I post here is not what some one has said. What I post is what I understand from Gurbani. It is not borrowed from any other teekakar. When I posted my understandings on Japji Sahib, I did read the translation published by SGPC in four volumes. For Anand Sahib, I even did not consult this publication of SGPC.

The Gurmukhi text and its transliteration I have picked and pasted from Siri Guru Granth Sahib as available on www.sikhnet.com . I do consult dictionaries.
With this what my mind understands, I post on web sites.

I will not be entering into academic discussion on what some one else has said. I respect all and I respect their understanding too.

I am no one to comment on someone else's understanding. I am in no way absolute; my understanding is also relative to my own position on path to spirituality. Only those who have experienced 'The Sat' and have become divine can have the final word. I am certainly not at that stage. I cannot say some one else is wrong.

In this web-site, I only give clarifications on what I have said to those who seek it, nothing more than that. You raised about Gufa, I gave you the basis for what I had said. My task here ends. You can conclude about it based on what you understand and based on your own learning. No one need to agree with me.

With love and respect for all.

Amarpal Singh




Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Post New Topic In This Forum  Reply

Tags
anand, sahib, pauri


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On