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A comparative study can be done. The differences, yes, reflect the changes in historical facts and conditions, as well as the cultural realities of northern India in the times of either Guru. |
Well, I thought if I mentioned Dasam granth, it would be considered off topic and more worthy of a different post. Perhaps, we can have a comparative study of Dasam granth (without assuming that it is by Guru Gobind Singh) and Guru granth Sahib.
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However, just last week in reading portions of Dasam Granth I saw many places where the thinking of the Nanaks, in particular Guru Nanak, were reflected and echoed.
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Well, Aad ji if you think about it, Nanakian Philosophy is echoed all around the world nowadays.
But ya, I agree many parts of Dasam granth are in agreement but many parts are ...
Let's do the comparison here.
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The voice of Nanak X is his own, as is the poetic phrasing, and there are language differences.
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Again, there are sections of Dasam Granth that are unique to that scripture.
What are your views on when comparing nanakian philosophy and your common sense to Dasam Granth :
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Speaking the word "Kaalkoot", then uttering the words "Kashtkari, Shivkanthi and Ahi" and then adding the word "Dhar", the names of Baan are known.133.
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Uttering primarily the words, "Nakaale and Sarteshvari" and then saying the words "Shat-ari and Sutari", all the names of Baan are pronounced.162.
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After uttering the words "Kaalaj, Dharmaj and Shalya-Ripou", then adding the word "Banndhu" and afterwards saying "Sutari", all the names of Baan are known.171.
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Saying the word "Kaalindi" in the beginning and then adding the words "Indra-Astar", afterwards many names of Paash continue to be evolved.270.
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Saying the word "Kaali Anuja" in the beginning and then uttering the word "Ishar-Astar", the wise people comprehend the names of Paash.271.
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Uttering the words "Kaalpita, tanuj and Astar" in serial order, all the names of Paash ar known.276.
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Uttering the words "Kall, Akaal and Karaal", then adding the word Aayudh, the wise people know all the names of Paash in their mind.285.
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Saying the word "Kaal" in the beginning and then putting the word Astar" at the end, innumerable names of Paash continue to be evolved.295.
Like what is that?? My dad says those are mantras that give you special powers.
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To an average person this would sound like bull...
ਦੁਤੀਯ ਕਾਨ ਤੇ ਮੈਲੁ ਨਿਕਾਰੀ ॥ ਤਾ ਤੇ ਭਈ ਸ੍ਰਿਸਟਿ ਇਹ ਸਾਰੀ ॥੧੩॥
दुतीय कान ते मैलु निकारी ॥ ता ते भई स्रिसटि इह सारी ॥१३॥
And from the secretion of the other ear, the whole world materialized.13.
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page 114, check out the whole passage, it says that this guy has a thousand arms and legs.
it didnt sound like a metaphor for anything. It jsut sounds like a fairytale. you know? like someone just made it up for fun. This is what I think happened when someone wrote that.
Author: "Hey maybe I am thinking that this guy can secrete planets out of his ear while having a thousand arms and legs."
Friend "Oh man that would be awesome!! put that in your story!!"
...then it goes on to reproduce some hindu mythology. Some random story....I was thinking why would anyone bother writing this... where is this going? Why do I need to hear this? Ok let's change our perspective, perhaps, a diferent perspective is needed.
if I think Guru gobind Singh ji was a great writer and wrote his "imagination" on paper then I think, this is a carbon copy of the hindu mythology. This is not his imagination! Why would he copy that? and its not like he's teaching anything here using the Mythology like Guru nanak does...
ok let's keep going...
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ਕਹੂੰ ਈਸ ਸੀਸੰ ਪੁਐ ਰੁੰਡ ਮਾਲੰ ॥ ਕਹੂੰ ਡਾਕ ਡਉਰੂ ਕਹੂੰ ਕੰਬਿਤਾਨੰ ॥
कहूं ईस सीसं पुऐ रुंड मालं ॥ कहूं डाक डउरू कहूं क्मबितानं ॥
Somewhere the god Shiva is stringing the skulls in his rosary of skulls, somewhere the vampires and ghosts are shrieking joyfully.
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I am at page 118.
Vampires and ghosts? ya...
right....
anyway, let's keep going and see if this gets anywhere. The more I read the more it sounds like "Warcraft". The author describes the battles that take place, i think between the asuras and humans. Which I equate to the orcs vs humans in Warcraft (a video game). i am reading "dasam granth" as I type this.
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ਇਤਿ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਬਚਿਤ੍ਰ ਨਾਟਕ ਗ੍ਰੰਥੇ ਬੇਦ ਪਾਠ ਭੇਟ ਰਾਜ ਚਤੁਰਥ ਧਿਆਇ ਸਮਾਪਤਮ ਸਤੁ ਸੁਭਮ ਸਤੁ ॥੪॥ਅਫਜੂ॥੧੯੯॥
इति स्री बचित्र नाटक ग्रंथे बेद पाठ भेट राज चतुरथ धिआइ समापतम सतु सुभम सतु ॥४॥अफजू॥१९९॥
End of the Fourth Chapter of BACHITTAR NATAK entitled "The Recitation of the Vedas and the Offering of Kingdom".4.
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Recitation of Vedas? what???
Anyway, now the author says he was meditating on some mountain and so on.
Our brains develop after we are born, and the brain develops as we gain knowledge etc. There is nothing in the brain before that.
So when our brain develops after we are born, you shouldn't remember anything before as its not there. So where does this all come from? imagination? Ok I will agree with that. If Guru Gobind Singh ji made that up for fun then its totally acceptable. Afterall being a writer, you gotta use your imagination. however, as soon as this becomes his life story, his actual biography , literally, then its bull....
i can understand if this is figurative language to express something, like a poem, but its clearly not. Its like stating " facts" .
how do you explain that?
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But look again at Jap Sahib and other parts of the Guru's Bani -- and then realize that the imagery, the truths so evoked, many other things are consistent with Adi Granth, but given in a creative and new way.
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Some parts but others? not so much.
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This is a discussion that would be very interesting.
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Let's begin!
I bet there are tons of mistakes up there since i didnt proofread, so forgive me.
Thanks