Pray Truth for all and say Satsriakaal!
Dear all and Aad0002 Jee!
And tonight is one of the nights I do seva by transcribing the hukam for the English speaking audience. So I will be listening to Guru sing and Sukha sing (a little joke) at the same time, and won't be able to return to SPN until tomorrow. I am also bragging a little.
Quote "Bhai Gurdas remains in my opinion (only my opinion) the pre-eminent reference for better understanding of Bani per Gurmat. I always check the vaars of Bhai Gurdas when I need more."
I am sorry for all who prefer to receive advice from Bhai Gurdas Jee.
But Veer Archived_member2 ji,
It is your choice to do what you say above. No one would deny you your right to make this decision.
This is another example why I find his writings totally different from the true Gurus.
Bhai Gurdas Jee is explaining who is a
Sikh in this Vaak from his Vaar 6-8-5.
ਘਰ ਬਾਰੀ ਗੁਰ ਸਿਖੁ ਹੋਇ ਸਿਖਾ ਸੂਤ੍ਰ ਮਲ ਮੂਤ੍ਰ ਵਿਡਾਣੈ ।
ghar baaree gur sikhu hoi sikhaa sootr mal mootr vidaanai|
OK, Veer ji. This is the line you refer to. ਘਰ ਬਾਰੀ ਗੁਰ ਸਿਖੁ ਹੋਇ ਸਿਖਾ ਸੂਤ੍ਰ ਮਲ ਮੂਤ੍ਰ ਵਿਡਾਣੈ ।
ghar baaree gur sikhu hoi sikhaa sootr mal mootr vidaanai|
The Sikh being a householder abnegates tonsure,the sacred thread ( Janeau), etc and forsakes them like abdominable faeces.
Line 5
I confess to ignorance. What is the connection between this line and the rest of the thread? Sometimes I need to have things spelled out for me.
Quote "A loaded question I think. Just about every animated forum member here on SPN believes that he/she is taking care of the Guru's values. You are not alone."
O Really! Some seem taking more care of other writers than the true Gurus, in my observation.
Quote "The entire vaar - Vaar 39 - explains this.
Let me reword my answer. Which is what International Akaali was trying to explore with you when he suggested you read the entire Vaar, instead of a few lines. ਏਕੰਕਾਰੁ ਇਕਾਂਗ ਲਿਖਿ ਊੜਾ ਓਅੰਕਾਰੁ ਲਿਖਾਇਆ । ਸਤਿਨਾਮੁ ਕਰਤਾ ਪੁਰਖੁ ਨਿਰਭਉ ਹੋਇ ਨਿਰਵੈਰੁ ਸਦਾਇਆ ।
I hope you know Gurmukhee. Please explain. One should pronounce which word 'ik aoonkaar' from Bhai Gurdas Jee's above lines as referred by International Akaali Jee. I will be grateful.
You are overly focused on these two lines. When International ji wrote them he was making a different but related point. Later he referred you to the entire vaar, not just one or two lines, so one would grasp the whole of Bhai Vardas' message.
May I ask? Bhai Gurdas Jee did not live during Guru Gobind Singh Jee's time. Why in his Vaar 39-4-1 he has mentioned Guru Gobind Singh Jee, that also as Guru Gobind but not Guru Gobind Singh?
ਗੁਰ ਗੋਵਿੰਦੁ ਖੁਦਾਇ ਪੀਰ ਗੁਰੁ ਚੇਲਾ ਚੇਲਾ ਗੁਰੁ ਹੋਆ ।
gur govindu khudaai peer guru chaylaa chaylaa guru hoaa|
Veer Archived_member2 ji,
This what Bhai Gurdas is saying in the vaar. ਗੁਰ ਗੋਵਿੰਦੁ ਖੁਦਾਇ ਪੀਰ ਗੁਰੁ ਚੇਲਾ ਚੇਲਾ ਗੁਰੁ ਹੋਆ ।
gur govindu khudaai peer guru chaylaa chaylaa guru hoaa|
Guru Hargobind is the Lord in the form of Guru. Earlier a disciple he is now a. Guru i.e. earlier Gurus and Guru Hargobind are the same.
He is talking about Guru Hargobind -- and calling him gur govindu. Govindu means in this line - "Seed of the Universe" not Guru Gobind Singh Rai
Quote "As a
Sikh of the Shabad Guru, I listen to the Shabad of the Guru. I don't know who others listen to. Can't speak for the others."
Please explain. When did you listen, Gurdev suggesting Sikhs to read
<> Ik Oankaar?
The transliteration is based on English sound or phonetic rules. So trying to discuss what someone hears from a written version of the same thing is a waste of time. What one sees and what one hears are not the same thing.
Quote "Why do you dismiss Christians? What else can I say?"
I greet all happiness on the eve of the Christian year with love. I will try to improve my English next to greet all on other occasions, promise.
Christians will rejoice! They always rejoice.
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