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vijaydeep Singh · #7 (**permalink**) 25-Dec-2006, 20:29 PM

It says Guru Ji for his shoes and a shawl at anoop kaur’s house. Why did Guru Ji take off his shoes?
Why did Guru Ji take off his shawl?
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Wait there man it seems that you are paranoid and *******ed.Term Pani Pamri is written that means rich footwear.Term Panhi comes only when that lady is summoned in the court.And Panhi means blanket.As we have to fight and run both footwears like Chappel and blanket are not handy.As you may never have fought and if you want you can wear them and see how good could you fight ,Lord,when lady shouted, leaft shoe and blanket and them made her brother get cought by her own men.It was only after when Lord refuse to commit Adultary then she wanted to trap lord,then in order to face dangers handly did lord removed hindrances.
did not Guru use to put gold in arrow to kill enemy so that with mony of that arrow enmy fmaily can get funaral done?

Guru donates something and

GuruBani says jY fITY mnu DIrIAY iklivK vM\in@ dUry] sUhI mhlw 5, 761. Jai Deethay Mnu Dheereeae Vanjyhan Dooray] Soohee Mehala 5, 761. Then how did a woman get inflicted by kaam?

It is state of seeing Akal in all and not the seeig of Phyiscal body.Do not you think that Baba Maan Singh Of Pehva saw and read Guru Granth Sahib?

Ang 761.
ਜੈ ਡਿਠੇ ਮਨੁ ਧੀਰੀਐ ਕਿਲਵਿਖ ਵੰਞਨ੍ਹ੍ਹਿ ਦੂਰੇ ॥
जै डिठे मनु धीरीऐ किलविख वंञन्हि दूरे ॥
jai dithay man Dheeree-ai kilvikh vaNnjniH dooray.
Seeing Him, my mind is comforted and consoled, and my sins and mistakes are far removed.
ਸੋ ਕਿਉ ਵਿਸਰੈ ਮਾਉ ਮੈ ਜੋ ਰਹਿਆ ਭਰਪੂਰੇ ॥੭॥
सो किउ विसरै माउ मै जो रहिआ भरपूरे ॥७॥
so ki-o visrai maa-o mai jo rahi-aa bharpooray. ||7||
How could I ever forget Him, O my mother? He is permeating and pervading everywhere. ||7||

She saw body of lord and Not the Guru who is in all.

How dare did a prostitute threaten Guru Ji?

Did not Hindu Kings and Moghuls also threatened Guru and they were worse then prostitues.

Did not Sodi of Kartarpur said bad words for Guru.What about Brahmins of Kurukshetras?They also said wrong things to Guru?

Anyone who is to go for wrong time gets non sense mind and say wrong things to Guru like you are doing.

Is not this written in Gurubani that people called Guru Ghost and spirit in dead body.
ਮਾਰੂ ਮਹਲਾ ੧ ॥
मारू महला १ ॥
maaroo mehlaa 1.
Maaroo, First Mehl:
ਕੋਈ ਆਖੈ ਭੂਤਨਾ ਕੋ ਕਹੈ ਬੇਤਾਲਾ ॥
कोई आखै भूतना को कहै बेताला ॥
ko-ee aakhai bhootnaa ko kahai baytaalaa.
Some call him a ghost; some say that he is a demon.
ਕੋਈ ਆਖੈ ਆਦਮੀ ਨਾਨਕੁ ਵੇਚਾਰਾ ॥੧॥
कोई आखै आदमी नानकु वेचारा ॥१॥
ko-ee aakhai aadmee naanak vaychaaraa. ||1||
Some call him a mere mortal; O, poor Nanak! ||1||
ਭਇਆ ਦਿਵਾਨਾ ਸਾਹ ਕਾ ਨਾਨਕੁ ਬਉਰਾਨਾ ॥
भइआ दिवाना साह का नानकु बउराना ॥
bha-i-aa divaanaa saah kaa naanak ba-uraanaa.
Crazy Nanak has gone insane, after his Lord, the King.
ਹਉ ਹਰਿ ਬਿਨੁ ਅਵਰੁ ਨ ਜਾਨਾ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥
हउ हरि बिनु अवरु न जाना ॥१॥ रहाउ ॥
ha-o har bin avar na jaanaa. ||1|| rahaa-o.
I know of none other than the Lord. ||1||Pause||
ਤਉ ਦੇਵਾਨਾ ਜਾਣੀਐ ਜਾ ਭੈ ਦੇਵਾਨਾ ਹੋਇ ॥
तउ देवाना जाणीऐ जा भै देवाना होइ ॥
ta-o dayvaanaa jaanee-ai jaa bhai dayvaanaa ho-ay.
He alone is known to be insane, when he goes insane with the Fear of God.
ਏਕੀ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਬਾਹਰਾ ਦੂਜਾ ਅਵਰੁ ਨ ਜਾਣੈ ਕੋਇ ॥੨॥
एकी साहिब बाहरा दूजा अवरु न जाणै कोइ ॥२॥
aykee saahib baahraa doojaa avar na jaanai ko-ay. ||2||
He recognizes none other than the One Lord and Master. ||2||
ਤਉ ਦੇਵਾਨਾ ਜਾਣੀਐ ਜਾ ਏਕਾ ਕਾਰ ਕਮਾਇ ॥
तउ देवाना जाणीऐ जा एका कार कमाइ ॥
ta-o dayvaanaa jaanee-ai jaa aykaa kaar kamaa-ay.
He alone is known to be insane, if he works for the One Lord.
ਹੁਕਮੁ ਪਛਾਣੈ ਖਸਮ ਕਾ ਦੂਜੀ ਅਵਰ ਸਿਆਣਪ ਕਾਇ ॥੩॥
हुकमु पछाणै खसम का दूजी अवर सिआणप काइ ॥३॥
hukam pachhaanai khasam kaa doojee avar si-aanap kaa-ay. ||3||
Recognizing the Hukam, the Command of his Lord and Master, what other cleverness is there? ||3||
ਤਉ ਦੇਵਾਨਾ ਜਾਣੀਐ ਜਾ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਧਰੇ ਪਿਆਰੁ ॥
तउ देवाना जाणीऐ जा साहिब धरे पिआरु ॥
ta-o dayvaanaa jaanee-ai jaa saahib Dharay pi-aar.
He alone is known to be insane, when he falls in love with his Lord and Master.
ਮੰਦਾ ਜਾਣੈ ਆਪ ਕਉ ਅਵਰੁ ਭਲਾ ਸੰਸਾਰੁ ॥੪॥੭॥
मंदा जाणै आप कउ अवरु भला संसारु ॥४॥७॥
mandaa jaanai aap ka-o avar bhalaa sansaar. ||4||7||
He sees himself as bad, and all the rest of the world as good. ||4||7||

Ang 991

Guru Ji condemns jantras and mantras, then why did Guru Ji go and learn mantras from a woman, especially at night?

Lord went to know about Plan and he knew that Magan a man will be there,who came on behest of lady.
Even if we deem it spell,Going of lord was more in line of First Maste goig to
1.Haridwar to expose superstition
2.To Kalijug Panda to remove myth about miracle he was showing.
3.To Jaggananth to expose myth about Arti.
4.to Mecca,to expose that God is not restricted to any direction.

He did not go there to worship.Anyway after reading this text of Charitrano one will belive in going to learn Mantra from anybody.So purpose of Charitar is done.

While the prostitute was drugged up and unconscious, for what good deed did Guru Ji place 60 coins beside her?

Akal ill reborn you as a Hindu and then you will speak lies as per your faith.In Charitars 21 to 23rd it is not at all written.And do tell otherwise where it is written?

Then Guru Ji announced that whoever finds my shoes and shawl and brings it to me will get rid of the cycle of life and death. What was so special about those shoes and shawl that Guru Ji wanted to end someone’s cycle of birth and death for that shawl and that pair of shoes?

That lady tried to spread disinfo about lord.Lord preempted this by saying that his stuff is lost and any Sikh who retrive it will get no death coming near to him.That may mean teqaching of Weapoanry or Gurmat teaching.It may not mean salvation as you write.

The prostitute brought the items herself, then was her cycle of birth and death ended?

No Sikhs,who got hold of Lady had along side bought the items as proof of her stealing from Lord.Do not tell lies.Lord ordered them to do so.That happened when lord came to know from Sikhs about her having a defomation campaign.

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Chariter also says that Guru Ji gave the prostitute 20,000 coins when she came to Guru Darbar with the items. Was it suitable to give hard earned money of Sikhs to a prostitute?

do yuo know that Guru used to give medicine via Bhai Ghannaya to people who were injuiered even from opponent side.So you can ask how and why for that also?Hard eaerned mony of Sikhs been givne to those who came to kill Sikhs?

What about Gurus putting gold in arrow so that kins to victum of that arrow get his funral done by that Gold.

When she was indoctrionated( into good faith),as in inscentive,for doing good even to bad, Lord gave him expenditure of six month packed.

These chariters in past tense. Then how could they be written by Gu Ji?

Is there no verse in Guru Granth Sahib,which is in past tense?And should same logic of your be applied over there?