Re: An Outsider's Thought on the 5ks
Originally Posted by harry haller
let us be succinct here.
Inner cleansing techniques, channeling the energy to raise the Kundalini to the Tenth Gate, inhaling, exhaling and holding the breath by the force of the mind. By empty hypocritical practices, Dharmic love for the Lord is not produced. Only through the Word of the Guru's Shabad is the sublime, supreme essence obtained
Now to me, this requires no help in understanding, its quite simple, channeling the energy to raise the kundalini, is an inner cleansing technique and is clearly stated as a empty hypocritical practice. Its really quite simple, I do not know why you are complicating a very simple quotation. You need to look at the gurbani closer and deeper. There are various stages/levels to spirituality that lead us towards the formless source from where we and everything in maya originated. To experience the 'formless', one has to overcome the mind and then eventually go beyond the mind. The mind is also part of Maya and the creation therefore not even the mind can experience 'formless' god....only the Soul can. Guru Ji is telling us that these exercises of the mind can not lead us completely to experience the formless...because that is what we should all be thirsting for. the kundalini, the tenth gate, the seven chakras are all still within maya/creation...to eventually go beyond, only Love, devotion, and the shabad guru 'within' will ferry you to rest of the way....nothing else can. Without Love, without accepting the bad things we have done, without forgiveness, without compassion, without selfless service...none of these practices will get you anywhere at all...even 5 banis, even 10 hours of meditation a day...even a life of charity..nothing will do anything. Even crooks, bad souls can utilize these yogas, meditations, to get to a certain level of spirituality, astral travel etc...but they are bad souls, god knows this, these souls never reach the formless state...they lose their amrit and keep cycling in many janams. I do not do any form of kundalini yoga...I havent needed to as yet. The shabad seems to be guiding me quite well. But for others kundalini Yoga may be helping them reach higher stages of consciousness...and maybe their Love for Guru Ji, their Simran on the Shabad Guru will take them the rest of the way. Main think is like Guru Ji said, without the love, without the shabad guru (inner guru and outer guru) you won't reach the formless source.
You have written You claim to have controlled your ego, but I find a lot of your definitive statements quite egoistical, with respect brother. Sorry Ji, i dont think i have ever clamined to have controlled my Ego...the battle is there everyday and hopefully one day i experience an ego free state...but it's definately not there yet sorry if my email sounded egotistical...i was being kicked out of the office and splurted it all out quickly. I agree, but this is not the debate, this is your defence to kundalini being described as an empty practice in the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, Whetevr happens (i.e. kundalini rising, seven chakras, tenth gate opening)...remember, it is all part of gods design...some people experience all of the above and havn't a clue what the kundalii is, or the tenth gate is...because it doesnt really matter if you know of not because Love for Guru (inner and outer) is all that matters...He will guide you if He feels your deep TRUE LOVE inside your Hirda (spiritual heart). And it may be that He then guides you to do certain Yoga's or just simple meditation...Whatever He feels you need at that time and place...All is HIM
I want my mind to understand God and the order of God, anything else is just 'inner cleansing', in effect, without the understanding of your mind, do you have any understanding at all? The mind is a construct for use in the creation...our universe, other realms of creation etc etc. To experience the Formless, the mind cannot be used...it will never understand...thats why the Guru's said naanak kathhanaa kararraa saar ||37||
O Nanak, to describe this is as hard as steel! Sometimes you have to take the journey to experience something. the mind existing in time and Space cannot understand what exists in No Time and No space. But we have already established that trying to raise your kundalini is nothing more than an empty practice, so I am confused as to why you persist in making this rising kundalini, some sort of important Sikh practice It';s an empty practice because people think that THEY can rise the kundalini....When only GOD can...all is Him...not us...and he knows from searching our hearts if we REALLY want to go back to him, if we are ready...to go to the formless state...and if we do, then he will take care of everthing...the Kundalini, the tenth gate, the balancing of the chakra..the amrit flowing, the inner vision, then feeling/hearing the inner shabad guru that guides you into the formless.
God bless all.