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Originally Posted by BhagatSingh  Gyani ji,
That shabad is not directed at Mullah rather it is addressed to a Pandit. Read the verses before that one. But the principle it is asking one to contemplate applies to everyone.
Kabir ji says:
If using force and killing dharmic, then what is adharmic? (Rhetorical for Killing is not dharma at all). If a you call yourself a sage (for killing animals for your fire rituals) then who would you call a butcher? (Rhetorical for you are not a sage, you are a butcher. You are following adharam.)
Now this isn't talking about eating meat, it's talking about killing animals as an adharmic action. |
No he doesn't!!
The shabads are about tyranny and false religious people.
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Originally Posted by BhagatSingh Randip Ji,
Are you reading the teekas? The English translation does appear to look like a misquotation. Read the teekas instead, they are in fact taking the entire bani into account. The Freed Kote wala teeka does this really well, but it's also more difficult to understand of the two teekas. |
Either you don't understand what I am saying or you are dodging it. I repeat again. As soon as you pull out a one liner you distort the shabad. This appears to be what you are doing.
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Originally Posted by BhagatSingh Now you are jumping ahead of the discussion. You still don't agree with what I presented so how can you go ahead and start comparing this bani with the Gurus, etc? You cannot do that. The better way would be to look at each thing carefully with sehaj before moving to the next. |
I'm not jumping ahead of the discssion but pointing out that you cannot isolate one line from a shabad because you distort it. Post the entire shabad and discuss it.
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Originally Posted by BhagatSingh The shabad is addressed to a Mullah, talking about halal and killing animals for meat and yet you cannot see what it has to do with meat?
You are reading the English translation, which can potentially change the meaning if the gurmukhi and teekas are not taken into account. |
I'm not at all. I'm using English side by side translitration. Translitration = Gurmukhi writtem in English, not a translation. This is for the benefit of those people who come on this forum and don't read Gurmukhi.
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Originally Posted by BhagatSingh Both,
I repeat the shabads I have presented are talking about killing animals as an unrighteous action. We are not discussing eating meat, rather killing animals for their meat, and killing animals for religious rituals.
This is what he is saying on page 332 as well (killing of any living being).
Do we agree that killing animals is not right action, per Kabir ji's bani? |
No I don't agree.
Kabir may have been a vegetarian just like Sheikh Farid a meat eater, but both are irrelevant to this discussion.
All that matters is what teh shabads meean and what the 6 Nanaks thought when they included them in Bani. By pulling out one liners you're distorting their meanings.
If you won't discuss the entire shabad there is no point to this discussion to be honest (something you appear to be reluctant to do so).
