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Re: Japji Sahib - Pauri 4 - Guru Granth Sahib

@Amarpal- There are many things that i'd like to discuss so lets start. I'll start from the beginning.
ਸਾਚਾ ਸਾਹਿਬੁ ਸਾਚੁ ਨਾਇ ਭਾਖਿਆ ਭਾਉ ਅਪਾਰੁll
Guru Nanak sahib brought Teeji pauri to a hault saying "
ਨਾਨਕ ਵਿਗਸੈ ਵੇਪਰਵਾਹੁ". He continues to praise the almighty in Fourth Pauri. Now what i can understand from the fourth Pauri is this-
As u said that Guru Nanak saheb says that "The Absolute’ is true, and that is its name and has unlimited positive feeling". i agree till the part that its name is also true but i dont agree with the part where u wrote "and has unlimited positive feeling".
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ਭਾਖਿਆ ਭਾਉ ਅਪਾਰ"
ਭਾਖਿਆ means "ਭਾਸ਼ਾ" or "ਬੋਲਣਾ, ਉਚਾਰਨਾ", ਭਾਉ means "ਪਿਆਰ"
now it can mean two things
1. That the true lord, means "
ਪਰਮੇਸ਼ਰ ਨੇ "ਸੱਚਾ ਨਾਮ ਬੜੇ ਪਿਆਰ ਨਾਲ ਉਚਾਰਿਆ"
now which true name or naam is guru sahib talking about???
ਆਸਾ ਦੀ ਵਾਰ ਵਿਚ ਗੁਰੂ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਫਰਮਾਉਂਦੇ ਹਨ
""ਆਪੀਨੈ ਆਪੁ ਸਾਜਿਓ ਆਪੀਨੈ ਰਚਿਓ ਨਾਉll ਦੁਯੀ ਕੁਦਰਤਿ ਸਾਜੀਐ ਕਰਿ ਆਸਣੁ ਡਿਠੋ ਚਾਉ" so eh oh naam hai jo shrishti di rachna to pehlan he os maalik ne bnaya ya rachya. one more point i want to bring forward i.e ਨਾਮੁ , ਸ਼ਬਦ , ਹੁਕਮ ਅਤੇ ਬਾਣੀ ਓਸ ਪਰਮਾਤਮਾ ਲੈ ਵਰਤੇ ਗਏ ਹਨll The following quotes are from Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji
ਹਰਿ ਹਰਿ ਤੇਰਾ ਨਾਮੁ ਹੈ (ਗੁਰੂ ਰਾਮਦਾਸ, .,ਪੰ .੭੨੫
ਘਰਿ ਘਰਿ ਨਾਮੁ ਨਿਰੰਜਨਾ ਸੋ ਠਾਕੁਰੁ ਮੇਰਾ ((ਗੁਰੂ ਨਾਨਕ ਦੇਵ ਜੀ, ਪੰ ੨੨੯ )
ਸਭੋ ਹੁਕਮੁ ਹੁਕਮੁ ਹੈ ਆਪੇ ਨਿਰਭਉ ਸਮਤੁ ਬੀਚਾਰੀ ((ਨਾਮਦੇਵ, .ਗ੍, ਪੰ ੧੩੫੧)
ਏਕੋ ਸਬਦੁ ਏਕੋ ਪ੍ਭੁ ਵਰਤੈ ਸਭ ਏਕਸ ਤੇ ਉਤਪਤੀ ਚਲੈ ((ਗੁਰੂ ਅਮਰਦਾਸ, .ਗ੍, ਪੰ ੧੩੩੪)
ਵਾਹੁ ਵਾਹੁ ਬਾਣੀ ਨਿਰੰਕਾਰ ਹੈ ਤਿਸੁ ਜੇਵਡੁ ਅਵਰੁ ਨ ਕੋਇ ((ਗੁਰੂ ਅਮਰਦਾਸ, .ਗ੍, ਪੰ ੫੧੫ )

so "
ਨਾਮੁ , ਸ਼ਬਦ , ਹੁਕਮ ਅਤੇ ਬਾਣੀ" oh sachi taakat hai jo es duniya nu te sanu chlaa rahi hai. Ki ohnu akhran de vich bann ke rakh sakde han??? ki eh naam asin uchar sakde han??
the answer is no. Then where is the answer??? The answer is on page 1083 of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji

ਸਗਲ ਨਾਮ ਨਿਧਾਨੁ ਤਿਨ ਪਾਇਆ ਅਨਹਦ ਸਬਦ ਮਨ ਵਾਜੰਗਾll
ਕਿਰਤਮ ਨਾਂ ਕਥੇ ਤੇਰੇ ਜਿਹਬਾll ਸਤਿ ਨਾਮੁ ਤੇਰਾ ਪਰਾ ਪੂਰਬਲਾll
ethe saaf saaf guru sahebaan ne farmaya hai k jo naam teri jihba laindi hai oh kirtam naam hai yani k created by man. So what i can think is that jis naam naal os parmatma ne shrishti di rachna kiti hai oh likhan padhan bolan vich nahi aa sakda.


2. the 2nd thing which it can mean is that parmatma nu pyaar di bhasha he bolda hai te pyaar di bhasha he samjhda hai.

Now as it is getting lengthier i'll move further....agee chouthi pauri vich guru saheban farmounde ne-

ਆਖਹਿ ਮੰਗਹਿ ਦੇਹਿ ਦੇਹਿ ਦਾਤਿ ਕਰੇ ਦਾਤਾਰੁll
I'll quote Amarpal "Guru Sahib tells us ‘The Sat’ is unlimited. What ever we ask ‘Sat’ is able to give with love. This is to drill into our mind the immenseness of ‘Karta Purakh’"



I some what agree with your view here. But there is need to go in more depth.
Guru sahib says that we keep asking for many things from the almighty and he fulfills them. But did we come for asking things from god which will land us no where. The ques is what did we come for ??? Why have we got the human body??? The simple answer to this is so that we can become one with the almighty. But what is our condition??? In raag Dhanasri Guru Arjun dev ji says
ਦਾਤਿ ਪਿਆਰੀ ਵਿਸਰਿਆ ਦਾਤਾਰਾ ll”
We keep asking materialistic things from the god and that’s what keeps us in the cycle of death and birth. Guru Arjun Dev ji says
ਵਿਣੁ ਤੁਧੁ ਹੋਰੁ ਜਿ ਮੰਗਣਾ ਸਿਰਿ ਦੁਖਾ ਕੈ ਦੁਖll ਦੇਹਿ ਨਾਮੁ ਸੰਤੋਖੀਆ ਉਤਰੈ ਮਨ ਕੀ ਭੁਖll”
ਨਾਮੁcomes here again. So this is the naam which created everything . Now other ques that should come to your mind is that where is this naam??? I leave that upto you to find from Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji and read the gurbani to find from where will u get the true naam.
LETS MOVE FURTHER!!
ਫੇਰਿ ਕਿ ਆਗੈ ਰਖੀਐ ਜਿਤੁ ਦਿਸੈ ਦਰਬਾਰੁll
Guru Nanak sahib question us “That what should we give to him , what should we keep in front of him so that we can enter his palace??”
Now this is a common practice that whenever we go to a gurudwara or any other religious place we offer materialistic things like money or whatever. But this is not what he wants from us. Everything is given by God and we think that by giving his thing to him we’ll become one with him??

ਮੁਹੌ ਕਿ ਬੋਲਣੁ ਬੋਲੀਐ ਜਿਤੁ ਸੁਣ ਧਰੇ ਪਿਆਰll
Now Guru Ji asks “What should we speak in order to get his happiness, his love?? Is it that we need to speak any sort of special shabad or special prayers to get his happiness???”

ਅਮ੍ਰਿਤ ਵੇਲਾ ਸਚੁ ਨਾਉ ਵਡਿਆਈ ਵੀਚਾਰੁ ll
Now Guru Nanak Sahib replies to the questions that he put forward . The only thing that we can offer to The Almighty is what we have our own ant the thing that is our own is ego “ਹਉਮੈ rest everything is given to us by God. We have Developed “ego” over time and that’s wat we should offer to him. But the ques is how??
The answer is clear “ਅਮ੍ਰਿਤ ਵੇਲਾ ਸਚੁ ਨਾਉ ਵਡਿਆਈ ਵੀਚਾਰੁll” amrit vele uth ke os naam di kamaai karke, surt nu shabd naal jod ke. We already discussed that “naam, shabad, hukam, baani”are used in same context in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji by guru sahebaan. But as we already discussed which naam ??? The naam that created the universe. From where will we get it??? Find the answer to that in Sri guru granth sahib.
Surt Shabd naal kis tarike naal judegi??? The ques remains so find it in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, do some research.

And yes Amarpal you are absolutely right. That time is good when we think or remember the almighty. But I’ll discuss it somewhat. Guru nanak says on pg 1330 of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji
ਨਾਉ ਪ੍ਰਭਾਤੈ ਸਬਦਿ ਧਿਆਈਐ ਛੋਡਹੁ ਦੁਨਿ ਪਰੀਤਾll ਪ੍ਰਣਵਤਿ ਨਾਨਕ ਦਾਸਨਿ ਦਾਸਾ ਜਗਿ ਹਾਰਿਆ ਤਿਨਿ ਜੀਤਾll
Amrit vela is around 2 a.m when mind is fresh and body is fresh and there is no disturbance i.e no one comes and knocks at your door. At this time you can concentrate the most.
ਕਰਮੀ ਆਵੈ ਕਪੜਾ ਨਦਰੀ ਮੋਖੁ ਦੁਆਰੁ ll
There could be three meanings to this but the best according to my knowledge should be that Guru sahib want to tell us that “The human body , we get as a result of our karmas but the oneness with almighty will come as his NADAR or DAYA or MEHAR”. What guru sahib want say is I guess that “We cannot obtain salvation by our efforts”. Oh ta os Guru di mehar naal milu jis ne sanu NAAM di data bakhsi hai.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/jap-ji-sahib/361-japji-sahib-pauri-4-guru-granth.html
BAANI vich aunda hai
ਨਾਮੇ ਹੀ ਤੇ ਸਭ ਕਿਛ ਹੁਆ ਬਿਨ ਸਤਿਗੁਰੁ ਨਾਮ ਨਾ ਜਾਪੈ ll
Sache guru ton bina naam di bhagti nahi ho sakdi.

ਨਾਨਕ ਏਵੈ ਜਾਣੀਐ ਸਭੁ ਆਪੇ ਸਚਿਆਰੁ ll
I quote AMARPAL “Guru Sahib is telling us that ‘Karta Purakh’ is fully self sufficient; he does not need any thing from us. I hold the view that ‘Karta Purakh’ being Nirakaar has no needs or desires. He is not seeking us; we are seeking him. Guru Sahib tells us to keep this in mind.”
MY understanding is quite different “Guru sahib says that when the soul becomes one with the naam or shabad , then there is no one else, where ever I go , I look I see only the shabad only the guru , the true guru(ਸਭੁ ਆਪੇ ਸਚਿਆਰੁ)”
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