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Originally Posted by Kairos i don't think so. The text is clear enough in a way, that there are only two possibilities : wheter you believe , Jesus is who he claims to be, or you don't.
Wheter you believe, Jesus Christ is the only way to the father, or he isnt.
we have thousands of manuscripts, which are dated very close to the date of the events. We can compare them. And we can know, we have very accurate translations. So this argument is really not a escape.
there is absolutely no doubt about that. You can use even a interlinear bible, with a direct translation of the greek text to english ; http://www.biblestudytools.com/inter...=john+14&t=kjv |
Kairos ji,
You don't think so? You don't think that the written word is subject to individual interperation? The sir your thinking must be wrong.
I do not belive that Jesus is the only way to God, I can't I'm Sikh and that is not what our Guru ji says.
Further even a minimum amount of pondering on the issue informs me that people are differant, we do not all think alike, nor are our cultures the same. Logicaly then there are perhaps two main conclusions that we can reach.
God has created differant people and differant cultures yet choosen only one peoples or one cultural practive as the only valid way to God.
Or.
God has created each peoples, each culture and each mindset with way to reach God.
I simply do not belive the first is the act of a loving God, and I belive in a loving God. So the latter must be the better option.
Instead of looking at the diffrances in scripture, and then saying, well this says this and that say that so that must be false and this true.
Look for the simularities and think about why they are there. What are the differances and what are the simularities?
To aid you consider this from a discusion elsewhere about the golden rule:
In Christianity:
"In everything, do to others as you would have them do to you; for this is the law and the prophets." - Jesus, Matthew 7:12
In Judaism:
"What is hateful to you, do not do to your neighbor. This is the whole Torah; all the rest is commentary." - Hillel, Talmud, Shabbat 31a
In Islam:
"Not one of you truly believes until you wish for others what you wish for yourself." - Muhammad, Hadith
In the Baha'i Faith:
"Lay not on any soul a load that you would not wish to be laid upon you, and desire not for anyone the things you would not desire for yourself." - Baha'u'llah, Gleanings
In Hinduism:
"This is the sum of duty: do not do to others what would cause pain if done to you." - Mahabharata 5:1517
In Buddhism:
"Treat not others in ways that you yourself would find hurtful." - Udana-Varga 5.18
In Confucianism:
"One word which sums up the basis of all good conduct... loving kindness. Do not do to others what you do not want done to yourself." - Confucius, Analects 15.23
In Taoism:
"Regard your neighbor's gain as your own gain, and your neighbor's loss as your own loss." - T'ai Shang Kan Ying P'ien, 213-218
In Sikhism:
"I am a stranger to no one; and no one is a stranger to me. Indeed, I am a friend to all." - Guru Granth Sahib, pg. 1299
In Unitarianism:
"We affirm and promote respect for the interdependent web of all existence of which we are a part." - Unitarian principle
In Native Spirituality:
"We are as much alive as we keep the earth alive." - Chief Dan George
In Zoroastrianism:
"Do not do unto others whatever is injurious to yourself." - Shayast-na-Shayat 13.29
In Jainism:
"One should treat all creatures in the world as one would like to be treated." - Mahavira, Sutrakritanga
Note particularly the top two. 'This is the law' and 'This is the whole of the Torah'
As I say all religious scripture contianes the same kernal of truth, all of the rest is window dressing.
What is this truth then?
There is one God, who created everthing and is all pervading. Because of this God requires us to love each other as we would love God.
It's been said time and time and time agian, in many differant ways. Why many differant ways? Because there are simply many differant people, with differing intelects, attitudes, belifes and POV.
It makes sense of a loving God does it not?