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First and foremost you have to define what Ik Ong Kaar is according to Sikhi through Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji. If you are not able to define HE/SHE/IT, then you have no argument to start with.
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f you can not give examples from the scriptures of the different religions and define God according to them then you have no argument.
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It is your duty and responsibility to prove your claim with the facts from different scriptures, not mine. This is the only logical thing for you to do. It is your argument, not mine. |
I don't have to talk about sikhism in specific at all. Furthermore, your criteria that "anything only makes sense if it is supported by the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji" is horribly restrictive (how would an atheist find support for his position in the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji. It seems very closed-minded of you to refuse to listen to an argument if it does not include the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji. But notice how you said "with the facts from different scriptures" this argument is about the validity of certain facts—how would try to prove that those facts are in valid by using the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji to support those facts? Lol you already know I cant logically do that but your saying that's the only logical thing to do? I dont think so :P. I think a religious person can find justifications for God outside of their respective holybooks. Similarily, a person such as me, can use an argument against the idea of god without so much as touching religion :P or looking at a holy text. Indeed that was my goal, to provide an argument that would apply to as many faiths equally (im in the business of making a point too right :P and ill take a page from the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji and try to make my point as universal as possible :P).
Listen to Bhagat singh—this discussion is not about all the characteristics of the Sikh god—this discussion is about wether or not the sikh god has those 3 characterisitics and if he does, what conclusions can you draw from that.
Bhagat Says:
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The definition includes the "omni qualities"...  Each religion takes those and just goes down their own path with it, all of that is irrelevant if the whole argument surrounds just the "omni qualities". We can study separate parts of something independently, you know.
Perhaps, you should tell us why you want to look at other aspects of the Sikh God. Let the interaction proceed further... |
Yes I agree! Why is it that you want to look at other aspects of the Sikh god? Do other aspects of the sikh god explicitly contradict my argument? If they do, they would be helpful to look at wouldnt they :P. If they don't, there's again no point bringing them up—we would just be wasting time.